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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

enogastronomico (see context)

English translation:

food and wine

Added to glossary by carly kelly
Feb 11, 2009 13:49
15 yrs ago
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Italian term

enogastronomico (see context)

Italian to English Other Tourism & Travel agritourisms, farms
I know there are several entries in the glossary for enogastronomia/ico, and that oenogastronomy/ic is a no no, but can I really translate enogastronomico as "food and wine" in this sentence? I don't think so.

"un efficace strumento di promozione e qualificazione nazionale dell’immagine storica, socio-economica ed **enogastronomica** legata al turismo rurale e alle produzioni di quelle aziende agricole che hanno creduto e investito in iniziative imprenditoriali legate alle attività di vendita diretta, alle fattorie didattiche, agli agriturismi e all’offerta dei prodotti padovani di eccellenza."

No alternative I've come up with seems to fit the bill: culinary (just cooking/food), gastronomic (ditto), gourmet...
Proposed translations (English)
5 +5 food and wine
4 +1 wine and culinary traditions
5 Oeno-gartronomic
5 food- and wine-related
4 traditions concerning gastronomy and wine
4 wine-gastronomic
4 cuisine
4 EnoGastronomy/ic
3 enogastronomic
References
Already in the glossary !

Proposed translations

+5
19 mins
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food and wine

Carly, I'm not sure why you're unhappy with using this: it's exactly what the text intends.

Edinburgh School of Food & Wine is a Centre of Excellence for the Culinary Arts.
www.esfw.com/

Get expert food and wine advice from Waitrose. Matching wine and food made easy at Waitrose.com.
www.waitrose.com/drink/wine/foodandwine.aspx

Food and Wine Festival held in Christchurch, UK. Featuring Brian Turner OBE, Leslie Waters, Nick Nairn and many other top celebrity chefs.
www.christchurchfoodfest.co.uk/


Food and Wine in London
Books on food and wine by Brian St Pierre with London Restaurant reviews.
www.foodandwineinlondon.com/

Food and Wine WorldAll about different types of wine, wine customs and how to pair food with wine.
www.foodandwineworld.com/
Note from asker:
Hi Angela, I totally agree with you, in that food and wine is exactly what the text is referring to, but I was rather hoping to find an adjective that sounded a little less clumsy. Now I reckon I'm asking too much and I'll probably try to turn the sentence around. Thanks!
Peer comment(s):
agree Rachel Fell : I tend to think using anything else here is likely to be more clumsy, though it depends on the rest of the sentence.
50 mins
agree Sarah Thompson
4 hrs
agree Barbara Toffolon (X)
4 hrs
agree Umberto Cassano : sure ! Ma quante volte lo si deve ribadire...
7 hrs
agree Serena Zarbo (X)
19 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "In the end I had to chop the sentence up and turn it around. Thanks Angela and to all who answered. "
7 mins

traditions concerning gastronomy and wine

a bit of a mouthful (burp) but perhaps you can turn the sentence around a bit

see
Wine-making took off from the ground. It is easy to understand that the ..... more specifically, Macedonian traditions concerning gastronomy and wine, ...
www.hri.org/culture97/eng/eidika_programmata/krasia/index.h...
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8 mins

enogastronomic

Carly, the word enogastronomic does seem to exist in English (found it on Google) although with only 23,000 hits. I think I might use it here.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Angela Arnone : yes, but it's not in any English dictionary. "food and wine" put before the noun give adjective power. Like "Abruzzo cheese" or "Marches wine", for instance.
5 mins
You're probably right but perhaps it should be! Otherwise "food and wine culture" but it's not an adjective and is relatively clumsy...
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10 mins

wine-gastronomic

have a look at Google entries. you´ll be surprised that the above term is widely represented. the good thing about it is that you may leave out <food> so the focus is on the wine culture.
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+1
12 mins

wine and culinary traditions

In un articolo come sinonimo di enogastronomico ho trovato "wine and culinary traditions".

HiH
Peer comment(s):
agree manducci
6 hrs
Grazie molte manducci!
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15 mins

Oeno-gartronomic

Oh-oh, don't forget the O!
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47 mins

cuisine

stealing a word from French here, only because, as it is used in English, it often includes wine as well!

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cuisine

Actually, I would stand this entire bit on its head, and go for something on the order of:
"... of the history, culture and cuisine as related to rural/country tourism and local producers..."
Now, your translation will surely be MUCH better than mine here, but, you get the idea. Italian is Italian and English is English and it is sometimes nearly impossibile to get the two to meet (which is why we can charge the exorbitant prices that we do)... (LOL!)
Good luck!! :)

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1 hr

food- and wine-related

Or maybe without the hyphens.

This could be a way of turning the idea into an adjective
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6 mins

EnoGastronomy/ic

I think you can say enogastronomy see the link here below

http://www.freedom-tour.com/enogastronomy/index.html

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Note added at 31 mins (2009-02-11 14:21:10 GMT)
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I found another link/dictionary:
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=enogastronomy

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-02-11 18:19:59 GMT)
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ok, if Enogastronomic is not yet in the official dictionaries why don't you break the word in two:

Enological and gastronomic

this should solve the problem!!
Reference:

http://www.freedom-tour.com/enogastronomy/index.html

Peer comment(s):
neutral Angela Arnone : With all due respect, if it's not in the OED /http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=searchresults&freesea... and not in Webster, I have a tough time giving it credence. Your link isn't a dictionary.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Already in the glossary !

Note from asker:
I know, Umberto, and thank you for pointing it out. However I was hoping someone might be able to suggest a less clumsy adjective than "food and wine", seeing as enogastronomico is just one in a list of three adjectives in what is already a fairly wordy sentence.
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