Jun 17, 2010 10:28
13 yrs ago
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German term
Fußballmuffel
German to English
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Sports / Fitness / Recreation
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Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
+6
38 mins
Selected
football unenthusiast
Possibly even more suitable and with a Guardian example, too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/09/world-cup-201...
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"For the football-unenthusiast, it opens up endless possibilities worth cheering for. TV schedulers are smiling on us, offering romcoms ..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/09/world-cup-201...
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"For the football-unenthusiast, it opens up endless possibilities worth cheering for. TV schedulers are smiling on us, offering romcoms ..."
Example sentence:
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Peer comment(s):
agree |
Hermeneutica
: Love this, very elegant and refined and has a hint of irony that does not fall into sarcasm!
12 mins
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agree |
Nicole Schnell
: I like this one!
33 mins
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agree |
Nicole Backhaus
44 mins
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agree |
Melanie Meyer
1 hr
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agree |
Gillian Scheibelein
: like it. Hate/loathing are too strong.
1 hr
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neutral |
Cilian O'Tuama
: didn't realise it was a word - so shame on me. Don't like it though.
7 days
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agree |
philgoddard
: I like the poetry of these names: Hermeneutica, Nicole, Nicole, Melanie, Gillian, Cilian.
7 days
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neutral |
Lancashireman
: With Cilian. Any more web hits apart from this rather fluky one in the Guardian? I guess Phil Goddard is making a subtle point here: the endorsers seem by and large to be non-native speakers.
8 days
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"unenthusiast" - 1, 650 Google hits, use in sports context - Telegraph "a fellow skiing unenthusiast.", and for the Americans: Time "to unsensitive unenthusiasts it is still a low-scoring charade involving men in short pants chasing after a round ball"
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
18 mins
soccer hater
Zwar stärker als der deutsche Begriff, aber tausendfach im Web anzutreffen.
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Note added at 27 Min. (2010-06-17 10:56:05 GMT)
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Also, je nach Sprachregion entweder "soccer hater" oder " football hater." Letztlich entscheidend ist hier aber das zweite Wort. Anbei ein aktuelles Beispiel aus dem Guardian für die hier vorgeschlagene Version: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/07/world-cu...
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Note added at 27 Min. (2010-06-17 10:56:05 GMT)
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Also, je nach Sprachregion entweder "soccer hater" oder " football hater." Letztlich entscheidend ist hier aber das zweite Wort. Anbei ein aktuelles Beispiel aus dem Guardian für die hier vorgeschlagene Version: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/07/world-cu...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Valeska Maier-Wörz
: Daran habe ich auch gedacht...
1 min
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Great minds think alike. Thank you!
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agree |
Kerstin Green
18 mins
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Vielen Dank, Frau Buessenschuett! Eine Zustimmung mit Gewicht!
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disagree |
Cilian O'Tuama
: a Muffel in such a context is IMO someone who doesn't care much for something, not someone who "hates" it
7 days
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+1
5 mins
football sourpuss
my spontaneous response
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soccer would be more appropriate in the US, although internationally it is common to refer to football (soccer) vs. American football
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Note added at 30 mins (2010-06-17 10:58:23 GMT)
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Moreover, FIFA in English stands for International Federation of Association Football
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Note added at 24 mins (2010-06-17 10:53:17 GMT)
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soccer would be more appropriate in the US, although internationally it is common to refer to football (soccer) vs. American football
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Note added at 30 mins (2010-06-17 10:58:23 GMT)
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Moreover, FIFA in English stands for International Federation of Association Football
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Anne-Mette
: Football is a different game!
Sorry, you're right! Stand corrected :-(!
1 min
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vde. my additional note.
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neutral |
Nicole Backhaus
: With Anne
4 mins
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vde. above
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agree |
Wendy Lewin
: UK english - definitely football
10 mins
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Thanks, WML
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agree |
Hermeneutica
: I like this esp. if from the point of view of football fans and if aimed at the women ;-) Football Sourpuss in Zug
44 mins
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Thanks from lakeside to lakeside, Hermeneutica
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disagree |
Cilian O'Tuama
: wide of the post, IMO
7 days
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neutral |
Lancashireman
: Sorry, but 'sourpuss' is even less comprehensible in this context than 'grouch'. Thank you all the same for putting the ladies straight on 'football' v 'soccer'.
8 days
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I like your term "grouch"!
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31 mins
football loather
Sounds good I think - see the link
Peer comment(s):
agree |
BrigitteHilgner
: That's me! ;-)
14 mins
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disagree |
Cilian O'Tuama
: OTT IMO :-)
7 days
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34 mins
Anti-World_Cuppers
Given that in this contect it specifically refers to the World Cup, this might be a suitable option. It isn't common in written sources, but there are examples (see below). Being 'anti World Cup' is definitely an established expression.
www.popmatters.com/pm/column/teng060808
www.popmatters.com/pm/column/teng060808
Example sentence:
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Peer comment(s):
neutral |
BrigitteHilgner
: You may loath/hate me for the comment - but I think this is dreadful English.
12 mins
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We are not searching for perfect English, rather a coined colloquialism used in this context (with an element of humour, which may come from an unusual or deliberately stilted use of English). Maybe such comments should be reserved for native speakers.
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neutral |
Cilian O'Tuama
: not exactly colloquial - cuppers?
7 days
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"World Cupper" 25,000 Google hits, "World cuppers" 7,430 Google hits, The London Paper: World Cuppers will be charged the equivalent of £100...", Daily Express: "a direct comparison with his own World Cuppers of 2003"
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+3
6 mins
Soccer grouch
Muffel - unenthusiastic person
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Well, perhaps there isn't a translation for "Fußballmuffel".
I personally couldn't care less about football (! ;-) ) until WE go into the finals, but I would never say I loathed/hated it.
I'm sure there are many Muffel who feel the way I do but wouldn't like to be declared "haters"!
Cultural difference or media hype?
What about: "those who are rather disinterested in football" - I could live with that label :-))!
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Well, perhaps there isn't a translation for "Fußballmuffel".
I personally couldn't care less about football (! ;-) ) until WE go into the finals, but I would never say I loathed/hated it.
I'm sure there are many Muffel who feel the way I do but wouldn't like to be declared "haters"!
Cultural difference or media hype?
What about: "those who are rather disinterested in football" - I could live with that label :-))!
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Nicole Backhaus
: I thought so, too, but could not find any one who uses the expression
3 mins
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agree |
Hermeneutica
: Love it, but call it "football" ;-)
41 mins
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neutral |
Lancashireman
: I imagine this phrase would go down well in the U.S.A. Not comprehensible to mainstream speakers of English, unfortunately.
3 hrs
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agree |
Barbara Wiebking
1 day 11 hrs
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neutral |
Cilian O'Tuama
: if I were to read this in a paper, I'd say "aaargh" :-)
7 days
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agree |
philgoddard
: Don't agree with you, Andrew.
7 days
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+1
56 mins
football phobe
An alternative to football hater
Example from the BBC website:
While you may sympathise with the BBC over losing the rights to screen English Premier League football, spare a thought for another victim of the system - the football phobe.
Anyone who doesn't count themselves among the soccer-loving masses will be saddened to hear we are in for more televised football in the UK than ever before.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/792504.stm
Example from the BBC website:
While you may sympathise with the BBC over losing the rights to screen English Premier League football, spare a thought for another victim of the system - the football phobe.
Anyone who doesn't count themselves among the soccer-loving masses will be saddened to hear we are in for more televised football in the UK than ever before.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/792504.stm
1 hr
non-fan (of football)
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Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Rolf Keiser
: has nothing to do with a "Muffel" - I would consult the German "Duden" first before attempting a translation!
8 days
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well do that if you have to
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agree |
Lancashireman
: Very harsh judgement from Goldi. No reason why this proposal should be in the minus range. Sprachmuffel: "those who are not good at languages" (to borrow Jennifer's Gallic phrasing)
8 days
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+1
4 hrs
football philistine
I know a philistine is more of a "Banause" rather than a "Muffel" but the alliteration is rather nice! Might fit the bill!
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Cilian O'Tuama
: is alliteration even important here? Accuracy first, style second. :-)
7 days
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agree |
philgoddard
: This has both, IMO.
7 days
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+3
3 hrs
football refusenik
Sources: 4 UK national newspapers
You had to look hard to find them, but they were there: flitting in and out of cinemas, lying in parks, shopping at Tesco; the football refuseniks, battling valiantly to find something else to do.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/17/britishidentity.wor...
A multi-million-pound merchandising industry has already built up around the philosophical Frenchman, which financial experts believe will continue to grow in spite of his retirement. Die-hard football refuseniks know him for his portrayal of a satisfied passenger on the Eurostar where he talks of how travelling by train under the Channel lets him breathe, think and contemplate the finer points of life.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ooh-aah-cantona-registers-...
Built round the implicit admission that no one's as good as the class of '66, it's hard even for football refuseniks to feel left out in the cold.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/drama/3634102/Eng...
And even an example of “soccer (sic) refusenik” from the Daily Mail:
We soccer refuseniks are tolerant. We have no objection to other people watching this stuff or talking about it until they fall asleep in the nearest puddle of lager.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-118835/...
Refusenik (Russian: отказник, otkaznik, from "отказ", otkaz "refusal") was an unofficial term for individuals, typically but not exclusively Soviet Jews, who were denied permission to emigrate abroad by the authorities of the former Soviet Union and other countries of the Eastern bloc.[1] The term refusenik is derived from the "refusal" handed down to a prospective emigrant from the Soviet authorities.
Over time, "refusenik" has entered colloquial English usage for any type of protester.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik
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Further examples from the BBC (x 2) and Mumsnet:
Such a heady combination of greed, girls and goals, all set to a pulsating funk background, should provide even a hardened football refusenik with 90 minutes (plus stoppage time) of entertainment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2006/04/24/once_in_a_lifetime_200...
WORLD CUP SURVIVAL GUIDE Whether you're a football refusenik or a fully subbed-up fan, Mumsnet's guide will see you through the next 32 days of soccer madness with match schedules, alternative TV suggestions, TV dinner recipes and a bluffer's guide.
http://www.mumsnet.com/newsletters/talk-roundup
National flags are everywhere. Watercooler chat is of little else. And then there are all those e-mails inviting you to join the office sweepstake. It's not hard to spot the signs, even for a football refusenik.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8730099.stm
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-06-18 01:08:37 GMT)
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Yet another variation: "football deniers" (By analogy with holocaust deniers and climate change deniers):
"One thing's for sure, you can bet your life that when we get to the next World Cup, these football deniers will be the first to jump on the bandwagon."
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/blogs.aspx?CIaBEID=882
And while we are on the subject of the 'Bandwagon Effect', it would be good if endorsers waited a few hours longer before clicking merrily away on 'agree'. Some of the earlier answers have built up such a head of steam that they now look unassailable. This is not necessarily in proportion to their inherent merit.
You had to look hard to find them, but they were there: flitting in and out of cinemas, lying in parks, shopping at Tesco; the football refuseniks, battling valiantly to find something else to do.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/17/britishidentity.wor...
A multi-million-pound merchandising industry has already built up around the philosophical Frenchman, which financial experts believe will continue to grow in spite of his retirement. Die-hard football refuseniks know him for his portrayal of a satisfied passenger on the Eurostar where he talks of how travelling by train under the Channel lets him breathe, think and contemplate the finer points of life.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ooh-aah-cantona-registers-...
Built round the implicit admission that no one's as good as the class of '66, it's hard even for football refuseniks to feel left out in the cold.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/drama/3634102/Eng...
And even an example of “soccer (sic) refusenik” from the Daily Mail:
We soccer refuseniks are tolerant. We have no objection to other people watching this stuff or talking about it until they fall asleep in the nearest puddle of lager.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-118835/...
Refusenik (Russian: отказник, otkaznik, from "отказ", otkaz "refusal") was an unofficial term for individuals, typically but not exclusively Soviet Jews, who were denied permission to emigrate abroad by the authorities of the former Soviet Union and other countries of the Eastern bloc.[1] The term refusenik is derived from the "refusal" handed down to a prospective emigrant from the Soviet authorities.
Over time, "refusenik" has entered colloquial English usage for any type of protester.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik
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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-06-17 16:22:32 GMT)
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Further examples from the BBC (x 2) and Mumsnet:
Such a heady combination of greed, girls and goals, all set to a pulsating funk background, should provide even a hardened football refusenik with 90 minutes (plus stoppage time) of entertainment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2006/04/24/once_in_a_lifetime_200...
WORLD CUP SURVIVAL GUIDE Whether you're a football refusenik or a fully subbed-up fan, Mumsnet's guide will see you through the next 32 days of soccer madness with match schedules, alternative TV suggestions, TV dinner recipes and a bluffer's guide.
http://www.mumsnet.com/newsletters/talk-roundup
National flags are everywhere. Watercooler chat is of little else. And then there are all those e-mails inviting you to join the office sweepstake. It's not hard to spot the signs, even for a football refusenik.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8730099.stm
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-06-18 01:08:37 GMT)
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Yet another variation: "football deniers" (By analogy with holocaust deniers and climate change deniers):
"One thing's for sure, you can bet your life that when we get to the next World Cup, these football deniers will be the first to jump on the bandwagon."
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/blogs.aspx?CIaBEID=882
And while we are on the subject of the 'Bandwagon Effect', it would be good if endorsers waited a few hours longer before clicking merrily away on 'agree'. Some of the earlier answers have built up such a head of steam that they now look unassailable. This is not necessarily in proportion to their inherent merit.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Sarah Swift
21 hrs
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Hi and thanks. Long time no see (2005?)
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agree |
Cilian O'Tuama
: Well why not? No worse than the others
7 days
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agree |
philgoddard
7 days
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+1
17 hrs
those who don't care for football
For all its strengths, ‘Zidane’ probably belongs in the gallery, not the cinema, and doesn’t beg its argument strongly enough for those who don’t care for football.
http://tinyurl.com/3675aps
http://tinyurl.com/3675aps
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Cilian O'Tuama
: That's the meaning alright, IMO. Just maybe a bit long...
6 days
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I agree with you. Thank you :)
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