Jan 2, 2014 15:48
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Spanish term
Canada
toda vez que la información
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Police Record
Este documento es solamente válido para ser presentado ante autoridades extranjeras toda vez que la información contenida en el portal web…. se ajusta a los parámetros establecidos en el ordenamiento constitucional colombiano.
This document is only valid to introduce it before foreign authorities (toda vez que la información contenida en el portal web) meets the established criteria (parameters) in the Colombian Constitution.
This document is only valid to introduce it before foreign authorities (toda vez que la información contenida en el portal web) meets the established criteria (parameters) in the Colombian Constitution.
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Change log
Jan 2, 2014 19:08: lorenab23 changed "Language pair" from "English to Spanish" to "Spanish to English"
Proposed translations
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when the information
This document is only valid for submission to foreign authorities when the information in the Website meets the established criteria set forth in the Colombian Constitution.
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Note added at 11 mins (2014-01-02 15:59:43 GMT)
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Established in the TL is redundant.
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Note added at 11 mins (2014-01-02 15:59:43 GMT)
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Established in the TL is redundant.
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lorenab23
: Happy New Year Sandro!
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Thank you, Lorena. And a HNY 2 U 2!
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Carlos Blanco, B.Sc. in Chemistry
: or once the info...
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That works, too. Thank you, Carlos.
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Stephen D
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Thank you, Steve.
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Pablo Julián Davis
: You are proposing a translation that is in effect subjunctive in mood; the source text is not, thus it cannot be stipulating a condition.// Actually 'when' is a conditional, not equivalent to 'toda vez que'. In principle it generates subjunctive mood.
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Thank you for your perspective, Pablo. But to me "when" = "siendo así" = "toda vez."
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Billh
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Thank you, Bill.
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Nigel Appleby
: *on the website [sin mayúscula]
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Gracias!"
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Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Spain
Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
Accredited translators 20 yrs experience
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish
Related KudoZ points
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1761
as long as / to the extent that...
Saludos
+4
16 mins
Phoenix III
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
Specializes in field
United States
True words...
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
, Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: Spanish to English, Spanish, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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58
taking into account that/in view of the fact /since the information
Those are my three options.
Happy 2014!
Happy 2014!
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JohnMcDove
: Happy 2014! :-)
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Thanks, John. I hope 2014 will bring you much success!
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Maria Mastruzzo
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Thanks and happy New 2014!
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Pablo Julián Davis
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Thank you!
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Luis Antonio de Larrauri
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Thanks so much! and a Happy 2014!
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provided that....
¡Suerte y buen 2014!
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Carole Wolfe
: Because of the preceding "solamente, " I think this is better.
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Thank you, Carole! Happy 2014!
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Ruth Rubina
: Yes. I agree.
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Thank you, Ruth! Happy 2014!
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Ruth Ramsey
: Yes, I think some element of doubt is involved. "If" may be more appropriate in this particular sentence.
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AllegroTrans
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Many thanks for your agree and have a happy 2014!
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Pablo Julián Davis
: Cannot be 'provided that' for two reasons: 1) 'toda vez que' does not mean 'provided that' and 2) there is no subjunctive.
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franglish
: And to you, too!
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Many thanks, franglish! Have a happy 2014!
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Luis Antonio de Larrauri
: I agree with Pablo, it is not about a condition, but about a fact, since there is no subjunctive.
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Maru Villanueva
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Mexico
Financial, legal & corp. Spanish-English
Native in: Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
Related KudoZ points
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180
since the information
...since the information contained in...
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if you take out the parenthesis this would be the term to be used
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Note added at 3 hrs (2014-01-02 19:15:21 GMT)
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if you take out the parenthesis this would be the term to be used
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AllegroTrans
: No, it's about a condition
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Pablo Julián Davis
: This is indeed a correct translation of 'toda vez que'. The latter (pace AllegroTrans) is not and cannot be a condition because of its meaning and because it is not followed by the subjunctive 'se ajuste', but rather by the indicative 'se ajusta'.
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Thank you, you gave a clear explanation.
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Maria Mastruzzo
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Thank you, Maria
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Jason Raff
: Totalmente de acuerdo con Maru. Ninguna aceptación de esta frase trata de una condición. Otras opciones: "given that...", "being that..." "Since" is perfectly acceptable and concise!
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Thank you Jason, it's not a condition.
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Pablo Julián Davis
Native in Spanish
&
English
Specializes in field
La palabra justa/The right word
Native in: Spanish , English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, Portuguese to Spanish, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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129
inasmuch as the information
This would be a more 'legalese' way to translate the source phrase.
The source text does sound a little odd, but the plain and simple facts are that: (1) No native speaker/writer of Spanish is going to express a condition (i.e., a 'provided that' kind of statement) without using the subjunctive, and this text does not use it: does not say 'se ajuste' but rather uses the simple indicative, 'se ajusta'. (2) The locution 'toda vez que' simply does not mean 'siempre que' nor 'con tal de que' but rather 'puesto que', 'ya que', or equivalent, which in English could be 'in view of the fact that', 'since', or, as I propose, 'inasmuch as'.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=vez : Dicc. RAE. "vez : ... toda, o una, ~ que. 1. locs. conjunts. Supuesto que, siendo así que."
http://www.fundeu.es/sobre-fundeu/quienes-somos/ : "...toda vez que se emplea para indicar consecuencia y es lo mismo que puesto que o ya que, por lo que su uso es correcto en frases del tipo: «La nueva conferencia llegará con más fuerza en sus argumentos, toda vez que su producción y exportación no afecta al mercado mundial».
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inasmuch as : "inasmuch as. ... 2 : in view of the fact that : since ... Examples of INASMUCH AS. <the economic forecast for the coming decade looks promising, inasmuch as we can predict that far in advance> <you should not use that source, inasmuch as it is badly out-of-date>..."
supremecourt.ne.gov/sites/supremecourt.ne.gov/files/.../a12-1029.pdf : "Inasmuch as we have affirmed the court's cancellation of the contract, we need not further address Stitch's cross-appeal..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1584776188 : William Wetmore Story. "A contract is a deliberate engagement between competent parties, upon a legal consideration, to do, or to abstain from doing, some act. ... This is strictly the legal signification of the term contract, inasmuch as that reciprocity of consideration, and mutuality of agreement, which are necessary to constitute a parol agreement, are not requisite in obligations of record and in specialties."
The source text does sound a little odd, but the plain and simple facts are that: (1) No native speaker/writer of Spanish is going to express a condition (i.e., a 'provided that' kind of statement) without using the subjunctive, and this text does not use it: does not say 'se ajuste' but rather uses the simple indicative, 'se ajusta'. (2) The locution 'toda vez que' simply does not mean 'siempre que' nor 'con tal de que' but rather 'puesto que', 'ya que', or equivalent, which in English could be 'in view of the fact that', 'since', or, as I propose, 'inasmuch as'.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=vez : Dicc. RAE. "vez : ... toda, o una, ~ que. 1. locs. conjunts. Supuesto que, siendo así que."
http://www.fundeu.es/sobre-fundeu/quienes-somos/ : "...toda vez que se emplea para indicar consecuencia y es lo mismo que puesto que o ya que, por lo que su uso es correcto en frases del tipo: «La nueva conferencia llegará con más fuerza en sus argumentos, toda vez que su producción y exportación no afecta al mercado mundial».
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inasmuch as : "inasmuch as. ... 2 : in view of the fact that : since ... Examples of INASMUCH AS. <the economic forecast for the coming decade looks promising, inasmuch as we can predict that far in advance> <you should not use that source, inasmuch as it is badly out-of-date>..."
supremecourt.ne.gov/sites/supremecourt.ne.gov/files/.../a12-1029.pdf : "Inasmuch as we have affirmed the court's cancellation of the contract, we need not further address Stitch's cross-appeal..."
books.google.com/books?isbn=1584776188 : William Wetmore Story. "A contract is a deliberate engagement between competent parties, upon a legal consideration, to do, or to abstain from doing, some act. ... This is strictly the legal signification of the term contract, inasmuch as that reciprocity of consideration, and mutuality of agreement, which are necessary to constitute a parol agreement, are not requisite in obligations of record and in specialties."
Reference comments
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Pablo Julián Davis
Native in Spanish
&
English
Specializes in field
La palabra justa/The right word
Native in: Spanish , English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, Portuguese to Spanish, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
129
Reference:
Sgnificado de 'toda vez que' según RAE y Fundéu BBVA
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=vez. Dicc. RAE: "toda, o una, ~ que. 1. locs. conjunts. Supuesto que, siendo así que."
http://www.fundeu.es/recomendacion/una-vez-que-y-toda-vez-qu... : Fundéu BBVA: "toda vez que se emplea para indicar consecuencia y es lo mismo que puesto que o ya que, por lo que su uso es correcto en frases del tipo: «La nueva conferencia llegará con más fuerza en sus argumentos, toda vez que su producción y exportación no afecta al mercado mundial».
http://www.fundeu.es/recomendacion/una-vez-que-y-toda-vez-qu... : Fundéu BBVA: "toda vez que se emplea para indicar consecuencia y es lo mismo que puesto que o ya que, por lo que su uso es correcto en frases del tipo: «La nueva conferencia llegará con más fuerza en sus argumentos, toda vez que su producción y exportación no afecta al mercado mundial».
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Luis Antonio de Larrauri
: Yo solo lo he visto usado en el sentido de la Fundeu, pero se ve que aquí es más el 1er sentido. Si tomamos el "siendo así que" entonces el subjuntivo no es necesario, aunque entonces no es una condición, sino una circunstancia de hecho.
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Discussion
Por otro lado, creo que hay un error en la redacción de este source: "toda vez que la información..." no se corresponde con "se ajusta a los parámetros...", por lo que no le veo mucho sentido. Tal vez debiera ser "...ante autoridades extranjeras ya que la información...", o "...ante autoridades extranjeras pues la información...". O incluso "... ante autoridades extranjeras, y (para ello) declaramos que la información..."
Tal vez deberías consultar con tu cliente...