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French translation: voir ci-dessous

16:56 May 6, 2004
English to French translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel
English term or phrase: Chair & Rule Movement
In the 1930's the secessionist Chair & Rule Movement from Santa Islabel became popular in the province when they experienced US wartime generosity, and along with some Malatians they tried to buy US rule and believing that they had bought a new government over the then ruling British Government.

Je ne trouve aucune trace de ce mouvement et je ne vois pas non plus comment le traduire, chair & rule
Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen
France
Local time: 23:52
French translation:voir ci-dessous
Explanation:
les références ci-dessous (en anglais) expliquent un peu plus:

"The Chair and Rule Movement of the Solomons.12

About 1939 a European missionary encouraged the Melanesians of Santa Ysabel, Gela and Savo to agitate for a seat on the nominated Advisory Council. He emphasised the need for a chairman and rules of procedure. The movement got out of hand and was mis­interpreted. The Melanesians elevated a flag, a wooden chair and a wooden rule into positions of ritual importance. They wrote to friends in San Cristoval and agitated for higher wages. Those involved were punished and the missionary asked to leave the Pro­tectorate. His memory was still revered in 1945 among some people. The Administration was prompted into plans for Native Courts and Councils by this movement."
http://www.anthropologising.ca/writing/cargo.htm

voir aussi:

"[PDF] State Society Governance MelanesiaFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Because the ‘chair and rule’ or the Fallowes movement had supporters from most of the central islands, the government saw it as having political overtones ...
eprints.anu.edu.au/archive/00002123/01/bennett02-5.pdf "

cela a bien le sens de "présider et gouverner"

Mais on peut aussi laisser le Mouvement "Chair and Rule" (si besoin avec NdT/parenthèses), comme l'on trouve souvent en français l'expression "Home Rule" non traduite
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jemo
United States
Local time: 17:52
Grading comment
Arrgh, je déteste la nouvelle mise en page de Kudoz, en choisissant la réponse, je ne vois même plus ma question. Parfois les améliorations n'en sont pas, je déteste cette dernière version !!

Je vais garder l'anglais et mettre l'explication entre ()

Merci à tou(te)s

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Summary of answers provided
3 +2voir ci-dessous
jemo
3le mouvement Chair & Rule ('Préside et Gouverne')
Francoise St Marc
2le mouvement Commande et Dirige
Hacene


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
chair & rule movement
le mouvement Commande et Dirige


Explanation:
just a suggestion.
No trace of this movement anywhere.
However, to chair is to preside and to rule is to govern. This name seems to be link with people who want to preside and rule, hence the seccesionist ideology i.e not to be ruled by a federal government while chairing.

Hacene
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:52
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 13
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
chair & rule movement
voir ci-dessous


Explanation:
les références ci-dessous (en anglais) expliquent un peu plus:

"The Chair and Rule Movement of the Solomons.12

About 1939 a European missionary encouraged the Melanesians of Santa Ysabel, Gela and Savo to agitate for a seat on the nominated Advisory Council. He emphasised the need for a chairman and rules of procedure. The movement got out of hand and was mis­interpreted. The Melanesians elevated a flag, a wooden chair and a wooden rule into positions of ritual importance. They wrote to friends in San Cristoval and agitated for higher wages. Those involved were punished and the missionary asked to leave the Pro­tectorate. His memory was still revered in 1945 among some people. The Administration was prompted into plans for Native Courts and Councils by this movement."
http://www.anthropologising.ca/writing/cargo.htm

voir aussi:

"[PDF] State Society Governance MelanesiaFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Because the ‘chair and rule’ or the Fallowes movement had supporters from most of the central islands, the government saw it as having political overtones ...
eprints.anu.edu.au/archive/00002123/01/bennett02-5.pdf "

cela a bien le sens de "présider et gouverner"

Mais on peut aussi laisser le Mouvement "Chair and Rule" (si besoin avec NdT/parenthèses), comme l'on trouve souvent en français l'expression "Home Rule" non traduite

jemo
United States
Local time: 17:52
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 32
Grading comment
Arrgh, je déteste la nouvelle mise en page de Kudoz, en choisissant la réponse, je ne vois même plus ma question. Parfois les améliorations n'en sont pas, je déteste cette dernière version !!

Je vais garder l'anglais et mettre l'explication entre ()

Merci à tou(te)s

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Francoise St Marc: les grands esprits se rencontrent !! j'ai mis trop de temps à envoyer ma version (coup de téléphone) et la vôtre n'était pas encore en ligne quand je l'ai commençée, :)))
35 mins
  -> tsss..tsss...faire les Kudoz, c'est comme faire la cuisine, on ne peut pas téléphoner en même temps, sinon c'est foutu. Merci quand même d'élever mon esprit.< ;>)
agree  Patrick Bouteculet: cela voudait-il dire qu'avec un minimum de recherches n'importe qui pourrait trouver la même chose :-)
1 hr
  -> nimporte qui? je ne sais pas. je ne peux parler que pour moi et pour jemo.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
chair & rule movement
le mouvement Chair & Rule ('Préside et Gouverne')


Explanation:
comme il s'agit d'un mouvement politique il est peut-être possible ne pas le traduite et d emettre la traduction entre parenthèses,

sinon une traduction littérale devrait convenir 'Préside et Gouverne' fait penser à un gouvernement de type présidentiel (de style américain donc) par opposition à un système britannique ou à un gouvernement de type démocratie parlementaire (IVème république en France) où le président n'est là que pour 'inaugurer les chrysanthèmes' et où c'est le premier ministre qui 'rule'...

Francoise St Marc
France
Local time: 23:52
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
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