Hamburger

English translation: "Hamburger braune Kuchen" ~ Treacle cookies

01:05 Mar 28, 2015
German to English translations [PRO]
Food & Drink
German term or phrase: Hamburger
OK, folks. while I might have some expertise at eating, I am at a loss as to what to call this.

I am doing a job on an oven and they specify this. Here is the offending sentence:

Nicht für Konditoreiware oder leichtfärbende Produkte (Tortenboden, Plundergebäck, Hamburger, usw.).

Of course, no pictures (or I would be drooling over them) and my web search turned up

Franzbrötchen: Gebäck-Spezialität aus Hamburg

which looks good enough to eat! However, nobody wants to say one is the other...

So, can anybody help me with this? And, if they are the same thing, what do you call them in US English? (And don't even think of calling it a hamburger in this, the land of Mickey D.)

Thanks for reading and any help you can render.
jccantrell
United States
Local time: 08:50
English translation:"Hamburger braune Kuchen" ~ Treacle cookies
Explanation:
Ingredients for these cookies - a Hamburg specialty - are spices and treacle syrup that would explain the "staining"


http://www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Hamburger_braune_Kuchen

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 16 hrs (2015-03-28 17:22:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

After reading your added note in the discussion box re: "not staining but easily browning" at 9.12 a.m . my time:

These cookies also burn easily:
".... Bei 175 °C backen (ca. 7 bis 9 Minuten) bis die Ränder beginnen sich zu bräunen.
Achtung, das kann z.T. sehr schnell gehen, also den Ofen stets im Auge behalten !"
From the same wiki reference:
http://www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Hamburger_braune_Kuchen
Selected response from:

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 08:50
Grading comment
I wish there were some way to award the points to everyone who contributed.
I never really found an answer to this like I thought I would. There does not seem to be one particular pastry type that is a 'Hamburger' (kind of like a 'Berliner'?). In any case, I picked Johanna as the closest to this.
I *did* give the client a long list of caveats regarding all the bread types that came up in this job.
Thank you everyone!
1 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2hamburger
x1ansheng (X)
3Hamburger rolls
Yorkshireman
3"Hamburger braune Kuchen" ~ Treacle cookies
Johanna Timm, PhD
1Yeast roll/yeast buns
Dr. Ellen Yutzy Glebe


Discussion entries: 13





  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
hamburger


Explanation:
Your offending sentence warns to "not use for confectionary goods or products that easily stain", such as pie crusts, pastries and burgers.

In German and in English, hamburger is called hamburger (an event called a "cognate", where the word is the same in two or more different languages). However, American hamburger and German use of hamburger has some differences. For one thing, Germans (as well as Austrians and Hungarians) are particularly fond of meat pastries, which use ground beef as a main filling ingredient.

So the reason the instructions warned to not cook hamburger (in the same grouping as pastries) is because meat pastries are horrible at staining from the grease and fat in it.

(There are other countries and cultures that have similar types of meat pastries, just as Cuban "carne pastelitos" and Jamaican "beef patties". Both have spiced hamburger, they just don't exactly call it hamburger.)

Oh, and also, about "Franzbrötchen", it is considered a "lazy croissant" or bread pastry, because it is much easier to make and is tasty. Hope this helps.

x1ansheng (X)
United States
Local time: 11:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Danik 2014: Well, you do specialize in food!
8 mins

agree  milinad
2 hrs

agree  EK Yokohama: "Franzbrötchen" are sweet, completely different!
4 hrs

agree  BrigitteHilgner
4 hrs

disagree  Sanni Kruger (X): I grew up in Hamburg and know exactly what a Franzbrötchen is. It is a kind of sweet breadroll, traditionally eaten at breakfast with butter and jam. It's slightly flaky, but you wouldn't dream of eating it with meat!
5 hrs
  -> Correct, which is why I specified it was a bread pastry, not a meat one.

disagree  franglish: A hamburger in the US is and remains a meat patty. Besides, as EK MUC says, it's sweet and is in fact what, outside of Hamburg, would be called a Danish pastry. See Lancashireman's link.
5 hrs
  -> Oh and does it look tasty!!

agree  Edgar Bettridge: Not "staining" surely though? see discussion - maybe a steam oven? "Pure steam cooking has its benefits, but it may not be the ideal option for foods that need browning and crisping."
6 hrs
  -> Fat is heat-soluble, regardless of being steamed, fried or baked. Plus, convection and steam ovens operate at high enough temperatures that grease spills and drips are a pain to clean. I'm curious as to what that oven DOES cook.

disagree  Lancashireman: I am having difficulty in following the thrust of your argument. Are you telling us that a burger is a pastry with a meat filling? And that it is baked in an oven? // Asker: "And don't even think of calling it a hamburger..."
1 day 12 hrs
  -> No, a burger is a burger, those are pretty universal (think McDonald's or a typical barbeque.) However, some countries use hamburger meat as a filling in a pastry -- usually a meat pie.
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Hamburger rolls


Explanation:
I think leichtverfärbend should be "easily discoloured" (during the baking process).

This would apply to the Danish Pastries (Plunder), Tortenböden (flan cases) and to Hamburger rolls (Hamburgerbrötchen) - discoloration would make them look unappetising

Yorkshireman
Germany
Local time: 17:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
"Hamburger braune Kuchen" ~ Treacle cookies


Explanation:
Ingredients for these cookies - a Hamburg specialty - are spices and treacle syrup that would explain the "staining"


http://www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Hamburger_braune_Kuchen

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 16 hrs (2015-03-28 17:22:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

After reading your added note in the discussion box re: "not staining but easily browning" at 9.12 a.m . my time:

These cookies also burn easily:
".... Bei 175 °C backen (ca. 7 bis 9 Minuten) bis die Ränder beginnen sich zu bräunen.
Achtung, das kann z.T. sehr schnell gehen, also den Ofen stets im Auge behalten !"
From the same wiki reference:
http://www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Hamburger_braune_Kuchen


Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 08:50
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 54
Grading comment
I wish there were some way to award the points to everyone who contributed.
I never really found an answer to this like I thought I would. There does not seem to be one particular pastry type that is a 'Hamburger' (kind of like a 'Berliner'?). In any case, I picked Johanna as the closest to this.
I *did* give the client a long list of caveats regarding all the bread types that came up in this job.
Thank you everyone!
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

1 day 15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
Yeast roll/yeast buns


Explanation:
Could it be reference to this type of roll from Hamburg?

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2015-03-29 16:06:42 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

The "leichtfärbende" as "staining" would make sense if this were about packaging materials, but not for an oven. I agree it's about something that browns quickly.


    Reference: http://www.ploetzblog.de/2012/04/14/hamburger-rundstueck-dir...
    Reference: http://www.kochbar.de/rezept/466592/Hamburger-Rundstuecke.ht...
Dr. Ellen Yutzy Glebe
Germany
Local time: 17:50
Native speaker of: English
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)



Login or register (free and only takes a few minutes) to participate in this question.

You will also have access to many other tools and opportunities designed for those who have language-related jobs (or are passionate about them). Participation is free and the site has a strict confidentiality policy.

KudoZ™ translation help

The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators and others to assist each other with translations or explanations of terms and short phrases.


See also:
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search