Feb 14, 2012 17:41
12 yrs ago
Spanish term

irreverencia popular

Spanish to English Other Tourism & Travel
"Profunda en sus raíces y exultante en sus ropas, ritmos y bailes, la antiquísima fiesta del carnaval se despereza cada año, proclamando su irreverencia popular".
HABLA DE LOS CARNAVALES DEL NORTE DE ARGENTINA. Gracias.
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Discussion

Charles Davis Feb 15, 2012:
Hi Jessica. I do see what you mean. I think "popular" works for me in this sense, but I agree that it might not work for everyone. But it's not easy to find another adjective with this meaning; "proletarian" or "plebeian" won't really do. Perhaps you'd have to go for something like "the irreverence of ordinary people", but I'm not sure how the whole phrase would run. It needs some thought.
Jessica Noyes Feb 15, 2012:
Charles, just chatting but I wonder if there is another English word besides "popular" that carries the meaning you are suggesting. I would hesitate to use "popular" if I wanted to make this particular sense quite clear. Despite the set phrase "popular uprising," in general I think the word has lost its "of the people" meaning and now suggests the idea of "widely liked or enjoyed."
Charles Davis Feb 15, 2012:
The reason why I think "popular" should be translated "popular" and not "public" is not because the show or display of irreverence in the carnival is not public -- of course it is -- but because it refers to the populace, the common people, as opposed to the powerful. For centuries, in fact, the carnival has functioned as an opportunity for the poor and powerless to break free from the strict governing hierarchies of society, to ape, mock and parody their superiors, to let off steam, in a controlled and temporary framework. This is the sense of "popular". "Public" carries no such hierarchical implications; in this context it would mean public as opposed to private: ie. open. That's true, but it's not what it means.

I do very much agree that "irreverence" will not be understood as negative or bad. It is the right word here, the only word that will do, in my opinion.
Jenni Lukac (X) Feb 14, 2012:
Creo que es claro que la expresión no es negativa. En inglés sale un poco "tongue in cheek", pero la idea de mostrar un poco irreverencia en el Carnaval es el punto de Carnaval,, ¿verdad?
VivianaP (X) (asker) Feb 14, 2012:
Tengan en cuenta que la frase no es negativa, no es algo malo esa irreverancia popular. Es para Argentina.

Proposed translations

+6
2 mins
Selected

popular/public irreverence

"A proclamation of popular irreverence", perhaps.
Note from asker:
I like Marian's answer. I think I'll go with that. Thanks a lot!
Peer comment(s):

agree Marian Vieyra : in a show of popular irreverence, perhaps...
6 mins
agree Charles Davis : Popular, not public; I think there's an important difference (it's the populace, not the powerful). I like Marian's suggestion.
8 mins
agree franglish : Yes, Marian hits the nail on the head.
44 mins
agree AllegroTrans : display of public irreverence
55 mins
agree neilmac : Popular... and why not public too, as that's where it takes place.
1 hr
agree José Julián
1 hr
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+5
4 mins

(indulging in/ mounting their) public displays of irreverence

This should work.
Peer comment(s):

agree Isamar : I like the addition of 'displays'
6 mins
Cheers and thanks. Purple stuff is lovely!
agree AllegroTrans
54 mins
Cheers and thanks, AllegroTrans.
agree neilmac : Public displays... nice ;)
1 hr
Thanks, Neil. In the Pyrenees they do up a crazy winter Carnaval that stretches from the Bearne to several Spanish villages, but in such cold, not much gets displayed!
agree José Julián
1 hr
Thanks very much, José.
agree Letredenoblesse
12 hrs
Thanks very much, Agnes.
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+4
8 mins

public frivolity

I would say ...

Definition for frivolity:
Web definitions:
the trait of being frivolous; not serious or sensible.
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Note added at 11 mins (2012-02-14 17:52:04 GMT)
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or: mirth

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or: merriment (and this is my favourite)

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Note added at 13 mins (2012-02-14 17:54:37 GMT)
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and you decide between "popular" and "public"

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Note added at 15 mins (2012-02-14 17:56:08 GMT)
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maybe "community" as an alternative

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Note added at 35 mins (2012-02-14 18:16:21 GMT)
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but not as good as "popular" or "public"
Peer comment(s):

agree Richard Hill : I prefer these options as they have less negative connotations
11 mins
thanks Rich :)
agree Mónica Sauza
31 mins
gracias Mónica :)
agree James A. Walsh
1 hr
agree neilmac : We could do with some jollity and merriment hereabouts these days :)
1 hr
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