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с номинальной свободой принятия решений

English translation: with nominal freedom to make decisions

19:30 Jan 10, 2010
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy
Russian term or phrase: с номинальной свободой принятия решений
"Nominal" doesn't seem it works here, because the sentence is contrasting the authority supposedly granted with its being only a formality...

Наделение школ статусом юридического лица с номинальной свободой принятия решений является лишь формальностью, в то время как реальным центром принятия решений является соответствующий орган субъекта РФ в сфере образования и его районные подразделения (РОНО).
Deborah Hoffman
Local time: 04:40
English translation:with nominal freedom to make decisions
Explanation:
Translation:
Granting schools the status of legal entity with nominal freedom to make decisions is only a formality...

nominal: "relating to a designated or theoretical size that may vary from the actual"

Reference: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nominal

Example:
"When we talk about freedom, there's "nominal freedom" as well as "effective freedom". I believe China lacks nominal freedom, yet has ample "effective freedom"."

Reference: http://www.chinalyst.net/node/13180
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irssy
United States
Local time: 03:40
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2with nominal freedom to make decisions
irssy
4 +1which formally have the right to make decisions
Rachel Douglas
4"freedom to make decisions'/"right of decisionmaking"
Judith Hehir
4with a minimum of freedom to make decisions
Alexandra Taggart
4with (only) a titular decision-making power
Michael Korovkin
3token/symbolic freedom of decision
Angela Greenfield
3nominal freedom of decision-making
svetlana cosquéric
3which are free ON PAPER to make their own decisions
Dmitriy Chernyshov


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
token/symbolic freedom of decision


Explanation:
IMHO

Angela Greenfield
United States
Local time: 04:40
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Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in UkrainianUkrainian
PRO pts in category: 32
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
nominal freedom of decision-making


Explanation:
nominal freedom to participate in decision-making

svetlana cosquéric
France
Local time: 10:40
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 16
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41 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
with nominal freedom to make decisions


Explanation:
Translation:
Granting schools the status of legal entity with nominal freedom to make decisions is only a formality...

nominal: "relating to a designated or theoretical size that may vary from the actual"

Reference: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nominal

Example:
"When we talk about freedom, there's "nominal freedom" as well as "effective freedom". I believe China lacks nominal freedom, yet has ample "effective freedom"."

Reference: http://www.chinalyst.net/node/13180

irssy
United States
Local time: 03:40
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Susan Welsh: I don't see what's wrong with "nominally."
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Susan! I don't see that either.
agree  DTSM
1 hr
  -> Thank you!
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
which are free ON PAPER to make their own decisions


Explanation:
which ON PAPER have the freedom to make (their own) decisions, etc

Dmitriy Chernyshov
Russian Federation
Local time: 13:40
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
"freedom to make decisions'/"right of decisionmaking"


Explanation:
Quotation marks will convey the notion that it is a nominal freedom or nominal right.

Judith Hehir
United States
Local time: 04:40
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 40
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
which formally have the right to make decisions


Explanation:
I don't see why you don't like "nominal" - "Giving schools the status of legal entities with the nominal right to make decisions...", but an alternative would be "formal" - "Giving schools the status of legal entities which formally have the right to make decisions..."

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-01-10 21:09:21 GMT)
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Gaak! I wasn't paying attention to the fact that "формальность" is in the same sentence already. Really, it's so wordy, you might be able to condense it:

"Defining schools as legal entities with decision-making authority is merely a formality, while..." - leaving out both "nominal" and "status" by incorporating the sense of both of them into "defining."

Rachel Douglas
United States
Local time: 04:40
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 76

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Radwan Rahman
12 hrs
  -> Thanks, Radwan.
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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
with a minimum of freedom to make decisions


Explanation:
Pretty much straight forward, I'm surprised, Deborah, that you hesitate/

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Note added at 50 mins (2010-01-10 20:20:39 GMT)
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http://www.springerlink.com/content/r51524303326545t/

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Note added at 57 mins (2010-01-10 20:27:22 GMT)
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http://doingbusiness.ru/russian-legal-entity.html

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-01-10 21:10:48 GMT)
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Minimum of freedom=minimum of legal rights. A person, an entrprise or institution which has applied for a tax number - is a legal entity.Without being a legal entity the school does not have a right even to employ a cleaner, because only a legal entity can sign a contract. An infirmity in centralized Russian system of education on one hand and a natural urge for autonomy on the other create rediculous situations.

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-01-10 21:27:00 GMT)
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Please, exclude "person", person is a "physical entity", an individual undertaker.

Alexandra Taggart
Russian Federation
Local time: 11:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 4
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
with (only) a titular decision-making power


Explanation:
should sound English, shouldn't it?

Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 10:40
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 42
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