Terminal de cuisson

11:25 May 27, 2009

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French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Retail / Shop types

French term or phrase: Terminal de cuisson

In a list of shop types appearing in a pop-up menu: Alimentation, Boucherie/Charcuterie, Boulangerie, Terminal de Cuisson, Traiteur, Vins et spiritueux, Fleurs, etc

Andrew Mason KudoZ activity Questions: 67 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (19 closed without grading) Answers: 158 France
Local time: 01:28

Summary of answers provided

3 +3

bakery outlet

Tony M

2 +1

Freshly cooked products

Noni Gilbert Riley

Hot/Cold Snack bar

Emma Paulay

3 -1

forno, vitrine acondicionada

paula mendonça

Summary of reference entries provided

Point chaud

Emma Paulay

Discussion entries: 5

Answers

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Freshly cooked products

Explanation:
A point of sale offering freshly baked/cooked products (also in supermarkets which shove their own bread mix into the oven).

http://sites.google.com/site/developpementfranchise1/Home/le...

Now I'm trying to find a way to express this. And of course it may not be bakery stuff, but, for instance, roast chickens or up-market deli hot take-away. There probably is a name in use, but here is a suggestion - I could end with "point" or "sales point" but I think that's implicit. Could subtitute baked for cooked if that were the case.

http://www.whichfranchise.com/franchisorPage.cfm?CompanyID=2...

Noni Gilbert Riley
Spain
Local time: 01:28
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Noni, many thanks. Food (sic) for thought.

22 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

bakery outlet

Explanation:
I've more often seen 'point de cuisson', associated with bakery outlets (often in supermarkets etc.) which by law cannot be called a 'bakery', as they only bake pre-prepared (usually frozen!) products, and don't actually make them from scratch.

It does rather depend, though, as Noni says, if this is just bakery goods, or includes other products like hot savoury food etc. — I have to say I've never personally come across the term in that context, and the term 'rôtisserie' is commonly used.

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As I rather suspected, a little research on the 'Net has confirmed that this specifically refers to bakery products — here's just one example that makes it pretty clear:

Informetiers Information sur l'emploi, la formation et les métiers ...

Employé en terminal de cuisson - Employée en terminal de cuisson ... En terminal de cuisson, la pâte est surgelée, déjà façonnée et l'employé n'a plus qu'à ...

www.informetiers.info/metiers/fiche_metiers.php?id_fiche=21...

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Strictly speaking, my suggestion might be better suited as a translation for 'depôt de pain' (which is a place where bread is sold that has been made by another bakery, so it an outlet for that bakery) — however, the problem we have here is that I don't believe the legally-differentiated term actually exists in the UK.

So I feel the nearest we can get (succinctly) is to say 'outlet', which certainly conveys the idea that the bread isn't actually made on the premises, even if it fails to convey the notion that it is however finished off cooking there.

Tony M
France
Local time: 01:28
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 90

Notes to answerer

Asker: Tony, thanks. Not sure we're there yet, but this helps.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Noni Gilbert Riley: Outlet sounds the ticket - Mark Nathan has a good suggestion above on a combo.

17 mins

-> Thanks, Noni!

agree

Mark Nathan: Except this follows "boulangerie" on Andrew's list - hence my suggestion to combine yours with Noni.

21 mins

-> Thanks, Mark! Well, if it IS bakery goods, then bakeries, bakery outlets, ... would be fine for the list; if it is other food, then yes, your suggestion would be better.

agree

cjohnstone

3 hrs

-> Merci, Catherine !

neutral

Emma Paulay: As you say, this would be fine for "dépôt de pain" - but not for terminal de cuisson, which very often sells bread, but is more geared towards snacks, sandwiches, pastries etc. I think any mention of bakery is going to be misleading, even to a Brit.

5 hrs

-> But 'bakery' goods include bread, cakes, viennoiseries, sandwiches, small hot snacks... we don't make the same distinction in the UK between 'boulangerie' and 'pâtisserie'

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

forno, vitrine acondicionada

Explanation:
Um terminal de cozedura, de acondicionamento para requentar, manter quente

Reference: http://www.rgte.net/fiche_produit_chaud_253.php

paula mendonça
Local time: 00:28
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

6 hrs confidence:

Hot/Cold Snack bar

Explanation:
I'd be tempted to add 'take-away' as a terminal de cuisson/point chaud is always a take-away.

Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 01:28
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 60

Reference comments

6 hrs peer agreement (net): +1

Reference: Point chaud

Reference information:
Hi Andrew,

I googled the term with "point chaud" because I had the feeling it was the same thing. I'm now fairly convinced it is. Not that that gives me any inkling as to how to phrase it in English...yet!

Reference: http://www.franchise-magazine.com/annuaire/activite-terminau...

Emma Paulay
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 60

Note to reference poster

Asker: Hello Emma, and thank you. I think we are on the right track here, in the situation where I think I need to propose an alternative, since I am sure this refers to bread and is therefore meaningless to the Brits.

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