Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
laica vs laicista
English translation:
secular and secularist
Added to glossary by
Sheila Hardie
Nov 26, 2008 16:56
15 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Spain
passion des mots
Native in: English 
Works in: Catalan to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
laica vs laicista
Spanish to English
Other
Religion
secular / lay culture
...vivimos una cultura ***laica*** que, con frecuencia, es ***laicista***, es decir, que relega la cuestión de la fe y de la religión al espacio estrictamente individual y privado.
I am not sure of the difference between the two terms (if there is one) and thus how to differentiate between them in English. Could I say 'secular' in the first case and 'non-religious' in the second? The thing is, as far as I can see, 'secular' means 'non-religious', so I'm not sure.
According to the RAE:
laico, ca.
(Del lat. laĭcus).
1. adj. Que no tiene órdenes clericales. U. t. c. s.
2. adj. Independiente de cualquier organización o confesión religiosa. Estado laico. Enseñanza laica.
laicista.
1. adj. Partidario del laicismo. U. t. c. s.
2. adj. Perteneciente o relativo al laicismo.
laicismo.
(De laico).
1. m. Doctrina que defiende la independencia del hombre o de la sociedad, y más particularmente del Estado, respecto de cualquier organización o confesión religiosa.
Many thanks in advance for any ideas!
Sheila
I am not sure of the difference between the two terms (if there is one) and thus how to differentiate between them in English. Could I say 'secular' in the first case and 'non-religious' in the second? The thing is, as far as I can see, 'secular' means 'non-religious', so I'm not sure.
According to the RAE:
laico, ca.
(Del lat. laĭcus).
1. adj. Que no tiene órdenes clericales. U. t. c. s.
2. adj. Independiente de cualquier organización o confesión religiosa. Estado laico. Enseñanza laica.
laicista.
1. adj. Partidario del laicismo. U. t. c. s.
2. adj. Perteneciente o relativo al laicismo.
laicismo.
(De laico).
1. m. Doctrina que defiende la independencia del hombre o de la sociedad, y más particularmente del Estado, respecto de cualquier organización o confesión religiosa.
Many thanks in advance for any ideas!
Sheila
Proposed translations
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| 3 +4 | secular and secularist |
moken
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| 5 +1 | laical vs. laicist |
Ricardo Galarza
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| 5 | laity vs laycism |
Eileen Banks
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| 2 | laic vs extremely laic/secular vs extremely secular |
Wes Freeman
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Proposed translations
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secular and secularist
Hi Sheila,
The way I read it, and the way it's described in the text, the contrast lies in the fact that one thing is to be secular and another thing is to promote it among others.
To quote Wikipedia:
Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being separate from religion.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular
Secularism is generally the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion or religious beliefs. Alternatively, it is a principle of promoting secular ideas or values in either public or private settings over religious ways of thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularist
I feel both terms used as above convey the same idea as the source.
Good luck!
Álvaro :O)
The way I read it, and the way it's described in the text, the contrast lies in the fact that one thing is to be secular and another thing is to promote it among others.
To quote Wikipedia:
Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being separate from religion.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular
Secularism is generally the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion or religious beliefs. Alternatively, it is a principle of promoting secular ideas or values in either public or private settings over religious ways of thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularist
I feel both terms used as above convey the same idea as the source.
Good luck!
Álvaro :O)
Peer comment(s):
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Michele Fauble
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Wes Freeman
: definitely cleaner than my answer--well done
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That's very kind of you 'w', thanks! :O)
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Ana Juliá
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Nikki Graham
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Comment: "Many thanks for all your replies - in the end, I felt this option best suited my context. Thanks, Álvaro!
Sheila"
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Eileen Banks
Argentina
Argentina
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Argentina
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Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
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laity vs laycism
Radical laicism" could even be embraced by the clergy who, while "empowering" the laity with a new avant garde title, nonetheless maintain the class ...
www.darkfiber.com/ulc-tn/JLApoab.html -
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I'm sorry should have written 'lay vs laycist'
... concerned to demonstrate the necessity of lay authority by means of anti-clerical critique. ... But he gives this notion a distinctly laicist ...
www.darkfiber.com/ulc-tn/JLApoab.html -
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Note added at 9 mins (2008-11-26 17:05:18 GMT)
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I'm sorry should have written 'lay vs laycist'
... concerned to demonstrate the necessity of lay authority by means of anti-clerical critique. ... But he gives this notion a distinctly laicist ...
13 mins
Wes Freeman
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Software Engineer; Spanish-English
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, Hindi to English, and 1 more.
laic vs extremely laic/secular vs extremely secular
This seemed to make sense, based on the context... but it's a guess. Instead of "extremely" you might also consider "radically"
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9 hrs
Ricardo Galarza
Uruguay
Uruguay
Native in Spanish
Uruguay
also a journalist and a writer
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, Portuguese to Spanish, and 3 more.
laical vs. laicist
Laical (or secular) is "laico" in Spanish. But a "laicist" is a person (institution or state) who professes laicism.
... forbidden and continuously condemned because of religious and political prejudices; until the ideas of tolerance, parliamentary democracy, laical state, ...
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NationMaster - Encyclopedia: LaicistOne who believes (or practices) laicism is a laicist. Secularity is the state of being free from religious or spiritual qualities. ...
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... forbidden and continuously condemned because of religious and political prejudices; until the ideas of tolerance, parliamentary democracy, laical state, ...
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NationMaster - Encyclopedia: LaicistOne who believes (or practices) laicism is a laicist. Secularity is the state of being free from religious or spiritual qualities. ...
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