勝負師

English translation: a consummate competitor

04:15 Nov 15, 2006
Japanese to English translations [PRO]
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Japanese term or phrase: 勝負師
I'm translating a short piece on 将棋, and I can't quite come up with a suitable translation for this.

Thanks a lot in advance.
Mike Sekine
Japan
Local time: 18:53
English translation:a consummate competitor
Explanation:
This 勝負師 may mean "a gambler" , "a true professional" , or "a consummate competitor" depending on how you want to use the expression. I like "a consummate competitor" (which implies that he is both a master of the game and a formidable competitor)
Selected response from:

Yasu Hosomatsu
Local time: 02:53
Grading comment
I didn't really find the one I liked, but this one came close in my mind. Thanks.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +1hardcore player
RieM
2 +1shogi grand master
casey
3sink or swim (shogi) player
humbird
3Decisive Shogi Master
compJPN
2a consummate competitor
Yasu Hosomatsu
2shogi player with fighting spilit
cinefil
2a shogi supremo
Rossa Ó Muireartaigh


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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
shogi grand master


Explanation:
http://trans.glova.jp/index.php

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勝負師の経営論をまた聞いてみたいところである。
I look forward to hearing this retired shogi grand master speak again about his views on business management.



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http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-27,G...

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Grandmaster is the highest rank one can achieve in chess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Grandmaster

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I've never known grandmaster to mean 名人. In martial arts someone has to climb through the ranks to achieve the title of grandmaster.

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If you're looking for a translation of "強い決意と誇りもって勝負に望む者" you could go with something like "hard-core shogi player." I just noticed that Rie supplied that answer already. Note, however, that 師 is usually someone who has the ability to teach or is licensed for what they do.

casey
United States
Local time: 05:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 59
Notes to answerer
Asker: Nothing personal, but I don't think this is appropriate because "Shogi Grand Master" would mean 名人.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  KathyT
13 mins
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
a consummate competitor


Explanation:
This 勝負師 may mean "a gambler" , "a true professional" , or "a consummate competitor" depending on how you want to use the expression. I like "a consummate competitor" (which implies that he is both a master of the game and a formidable competitor)

Yasu Hosomatsu
Local time: 02:53
Works in field
Native speaker of: Japanese
PRO pts in category: 6
Grading comment
I didn't really find the one I liked, but this one came close in my mind. Thanks.
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25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
shogi player with fighting spilit


Explanation:
depends on the context
if he/she plays a game of shogi for money betting, he/she should be a shogi gambler

The song sings the strong Will and Fighting spirit of Osaka's legendary (but real) Shougi Master Sakata Sankichi.
http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/quereadisplay.html?0 16905

"Syougi" is the japanese chess. It's nearly equal to the Chess with out to cast a die. Most famous champion in the successions is Sankichi Sakata who is strong enough to not enable to see his wife's death. If you become the matchless champion, you are called "Meijin".
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/6221/Syougi.html


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no・ble

【4】〈精神・性質・考え・行為などが〉高潔な,高尚な,気高い:
a noble thought 崇高な思想
a noble deed [aim] 気高い行為[志]
a man of noble nature 品性高潔な人
a noble savage 高貴な野蛮人
*J.J.Rousseau と結びつけられることが多い.
【類語】
noble 卑小さ,下劣さ,不名誉を潔しとしない性格や精神の気高さの意を含む.
high-minded 崇高な主義,主張を奉じ,首尾一貫してこれを堅持する:
a high-minded pursuit of legal reforms 法律上の改革を目指す気高い努力.
magnanimous 特に,寛大で,加えられた損害を大目に見るなどのように度量の大きい:
magnanimous toward his former enemies 旧敵に対して寛大である.

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しょうぶ‐し【勝負師】
ばくちうち。博徒。転じて、いちかばちか、重大な事の成否をかけて大胆に事を行う人
広辞苑


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http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000040/files/46303_23891.html

しょうぶし【勝負師】

(1)ばくち打ち。博徒(ばくと)。

(2)成否をかけて思い切って行動をする人。

三省堂 『ハイブリッド新辞林』
新辞林


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し【師】
*学問・技芸を教授する人。先生。源紅葉賀「舞の—どもなど」。「—の教え」「—匠」「教—」
*僧侶・伝道者など宗教上の指導者。「導—」「牧—」
*専門の技術を職業とする者。「医—」「美容—」
広辞苑

cinefil
Japan
Local time: 18:53
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
PRO pts in category: 75
Notes to answerer
Asker: これは勝負師とはちょっと違う感じがします。「闘志あふれる棋士」という感じでしょうか。 私がどうも表現できないのは、勝敗がすべての世界に身をおきながら、強い決意と誇りもって勝負に望む者という意味での勝負師なのです(gamblerだと全然違うニュアンスになりまうし…)。

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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
a shogi supremo


Explanation:
Depending on context of course.

Rossa Ó Muireartaigh
Japan
Local time: 18:53
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
hardcore player


Explanation:
or a gambler?

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hmmmm, here is another one - a fierce competitor. But this is more of a sport player, like Tiger Woods, and the expression is less elegant. Mike-san, I assume you would like to express some coolness too, with this expresion, wouldn't you? Like a chess/shogi player, like a samurai, like 007 James Bond?


    Reference: http://www.segagagadomain.com/dreamcast-ntsc3/morita-no-saik...
RieM
United States
Local time: 05:53
Native speaker of: Japanese
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  casey: Depending on the context this may be best.
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1 day 11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sink or swim (shogi) player


Explanation:
Just a thought. A thought of this line may work.

humbird
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 40
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6 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Decisive Shogi Master


Explanation:
Those who play professional Chess is called Chess Master, so Shogi master would be someone who plays Shogi professionally.
And you want to say this master tend to do big time move like gambling, yet you want to sound more elegant. So I put 'decisive' to show this quality.

compJPN
Local time: 03:53
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Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
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