Apr 7, 2019 19:21
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French term
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la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d'engagement de ces titres
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This concerns a deed of transfer for a property in Switzerland.
The full sentence and the one that precedes it are as follows:
Le vendeur remet à l'acheteur, ce jour, gratuitement, les trois cédules hypothécaires susdésignées, libres de tout engagement quelconque.
L'acheteur assumera, dès lors, à l'entière décharge et libération du vendeur, la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d'engagement de ces titres hypothécaires
I'm struggling to think of appropriate translations for either 'disposition' or 'engagement', because I don't really understand what the words mean in this context.
Any help appreciated – thanks in advance !
The full sentence and the one that precedes it are as follows:
Le vendeur remet à l'acheteur, ce jour, gratuitement, les trois cédules hypothécaires susdésignées, libres de tout engagement quelconque.
L'acheteur assumera, dès lors, à l'entière décharge et libération du vendeur, la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d'engagement de ces titres hypothécaires
I'm struggling to think of appropriate translations for either 'disposition' or 'engagement', because I don't really understand what the words mean in this context.
Any help appreciated – thanks in advance !
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Apr 7, 2019 22:48: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d\\\'engagement de ces titres" to "la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d\'engagement de ces titres "
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Eliza Hall
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responsibility for any disposition or pledging of these mortgage deeds (or securities)
A titre hypothécaire can be a mortgage deed or a mortgage-backed security. Allison, you'll know from context which translation to use.
"Disposition" of assets is a legal term in English just as it is in French. It means any act of getting rid of/divesting yourself of title in the assets: giving them away, selling them, putting them in a trust, leaving them to someone in a will, etc.
"Engager" assets = to pledge or commit them; to put them at stake (e.g. "if I don't pay back this loan, you can seize these assets"). For instance, if you're married under a "community of assets" regime, neither spouse can "engager la communauté" (pledge community property) without the other's consent.
English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_(law)
"Disposition" of assets is a legal term in English just as it is in French. It means any act of getting rid of/divesting yourself of title in the assets: giving them away, selling them, putting them in a trust, leaving them to someone in a will, etc.
"Engager" assets = to pledge or commit them; to put them at stake (e.g. "if I don't pay back this loan, you can seize these assets"). For instance, if you're married under a "community of assets" regime, neither spouse can "engager la communauté" (pledge community property) without the other's consent.
English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_(law)
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Daryo
: disposal? memory playing tricks on me - I meant "to dispose of ..." https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/dispose-of/
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The EN legal term for the FR "disposition" is "disposition." https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/disposition/ Dispose of means the same thing but requires rephrasing/changing the source. Why change/rephrase when you don't have to?
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Yvonne Gallagher
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French term (edited):
la responsabilité de tout acte de disposition ou d'engagement de ces titres hypothécaires
the liability for all and any (dealing) conveyancing or binding transaction per such mortgage deeds
Surely, does not refer to 'an act of disposal or of pledging (pawning)' of such title deeds (as collateral security and the object), but dealings or covenants and obligations entered into with or using such deeds as an instrumental agency: AmE '... the liability for any such deeded (!) act of disposal or binding transaction...'
I suspect these are (msleading) translations of the Swiss-German terms of Verfügungs- (disposal) oder Verpflichtungsgeschäfte (executory = prospective agreements or binding transactions).
FHS Bridge's FR/EN glossary; acte de disposition > instrument or legal transaction disposing of rights or property; disposal; conveyance; deed of gift.
Engagement > pledging; mortgaging: pawning; *undertaking*; obligation; commitment; liability.
NB the acheteur/vendeur are now called in the UK Buyer/ Seller vs. Purchaser/ Vendor- (The Law Society's Standard vs. ex-National Conditions for the Sale of Land).
Cédules hypothécaires > approx. mortgage ('Charge') certificates or deeds.
NB Deed in AmE always denotes a dealing in land, whereas e.g. in BrE a Poll Deed can be used for a change of name.
I suspect these are (msleading) translations of the Swiss-German terms of Verfügungs- (disposal) oder Verpflichtungsgeschäfte (executory = prospective agreements or binding transactions).
FHS Bridge's FR/EN glossary; acte de disposition > instrument or legal transaction disposing of rights or property; disposal; conveyance; deed of gift.
Engagement > pledging; mortgaging: pawning; *undertaking*; obligation; commitment; liability.
NB the acheteur/vendeur are now called in the UK Buyer/ Seller vs. Purchaser/ Vendor- (The Law Society's Standard vs. ex-National Conditions for the Sale of Land).
Cédules hypothécaires > approx. mortgage ('Charge') certificates or deeds.
NB Deed in AmE always denotes a dealing in land, whereas e.g. in BrE a Poll Deed can be used for a change of name.
Example sentence:
Information on common title dealings - mortgages and discharges of mortgage, changing title details, replacing a lost or destroyed Certificate of Title, changing property boundaries, subdividing or consolidating titles, caveats covenants and easements.
Reference:
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000020017088&categorieLien=id
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Ben Gaia
: Thank you University of ProZ!...yes but comprehensible legal translating is a High Art.
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You are welcome! Funnily enough, conveyancing is a hands-on, practical pursuit and not really an academic subject 'per se'.
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