Nov 25, 2015 16:00
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English term

Crew and crews

Non-PRO English Other Transport / Transportation / Shipping
Hi

Context: talking about more than one captain and more than one crew of several yachts

Ok so I have "captain and crew" for one yacht.
But I am talking about many yachts, many captains and many crew or crews - here is my problem.
I know crew is already a plural word that talks about several people who make up a crew.
But when I want to talk about more than one crew, I have used the phrase "Captains and their crew" making the captains plural and the crew 'belonging to the captain'.
However I also want to talk about more than one crew by using "Captains and crews" for example

"The captains and crews have access to different areas..."

Is this correct? Can anybody see anything wrong with this? Or should it say

"The captains and crew have access to different areas..."

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jill
Change log

Nov 25, 2015 16:26: philgoddard changed "Language pair" from "French to English" to "English"

Nov 25, 2015 17:14: mchd changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Tony M, Yvonne Gallagher, mchd

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Discussion

Björn Vrooman Nov 26, 2015:
@Anton [In agreement with Richard Swan:]
In BE, this depends on whether you see the group as a collection of individuals or as a single unit. In AE, singular is preferred, but plural pronouns can be used (Although I prefer keeping things either singular or plural; "they" in place of "he or she" can already be confusing enough).
Yvonne Gallagher Nov 25, 2015:
agree with Sheila: captains and their crews

then there's no ambiguity
Sheila Wilson Nov 25, 2015:
Captains and their crew As Phil says, the above isn't really wrong but it is ambiguous as it could mean that the captains share a crew e.g. a crew could be made up of several watches and each watch could have its captain. If each captain has a crew assigned uniquely to him/her, it would be better to use a plural for each, IMHO.
Anton Konashenok Nov 25, 2015:
Plural ≠ collective Crew is not a plural but a collective singular, similarly to e.g. a committee. It has a regular plural form, crews.
Jill Bardet (X) (asker) Nov 25, 2015:
Thanks Phil, yes it is a translation I am doing from French, I just wanted to check what other English speakers thought about the plural of crew/crews. I also prefer the plural use of crews although my French client has previously been using "crew".
Thanks for your help.
philgoddard Nov 25, 2015:
Hi Jill Is this a question about English usage? You've put it under the header of French to English translation.
The plural of "crew" is "crews". One boat has one crew, two boats have two crews. So your first suggestion is correct, though the second is not particularly wrong, since "crew" can mean both the group and its individual members.

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crew and crews

AmE - collective nouns are challenging: group, crew, family, (scout) troop, etc.
In the described situation, I see these possibilities -
Each captain and crew is assigned a unique code to use.
The captains and their (respective) crews met for the general briefing.
Captains and crews must be prepared to start at 0800 hours.

If one section captain has three crews working around the clock, then it would be possible to say "the captain and the crews."
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crews

the captains and their crews ...
the captains and their respective crews ...
Peer comment(s):

agree Arabic & More
2 hrs
Merci, Amel ...
agree Alain Rondeau : Correct!
3 hrs
Merci, Alain ...
agree Björn Vrooman : Just like: staff(s).
7 hrs
Thank you, Björn ,,,
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
11 hrs
Thank you, Tina ...
agree Helena Chavarria : One team and three teams; one teamleader and three teamleaders.
1 day 3 hrs
Thank you, Helena ...
agree Tushar Deep
1 day 6 hrs
Thank you, Tushar ...
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