Feb 15, 2004 18:00
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母体样本
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Survey - sampling
It is from a report of a survey.
母体样本14人，因为怕胖不吃朱古力的人就有六名。
母体样本14人，因为怕胖不吃朱古力的人就有六名。
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Population Sample.
Population Sample.
It’s a mathematic jargon.
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After returning from work , I have found hte basis in my dictionaries for my answer:
No.1: 英汉大词典（上海译文出版社出版、发行，1991年9月第一版,陆谷孙主编）： POPULATION： 6.[统]总体,母体(指统计所要研究的对象的全体).
No.2: 英汉技术词典(国防工业出版社出版,清华大学编):POPULATION:2. [数](对象)总体,全体.
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Link No.1 is not comlete. Here it is http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:9-tDdQ58vPEJ:www.datami...
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可能有必要解释一下总体也就是母体（POPULATION和样本（SAMPLE）在统计学上的意义。总体是相同类型个体组成的集合体， 有无限总体和有限总体之分。比方说要进行胃癌发病原因的研究，那么可以将所有的胃癌病人视为一个总体，如果不加地区和时间的限制，那这就是一个无限总体，如果加上地区和时间的限制，那就是一个有限总体。可以想见不可能对所有的胃癌病人进行研究，因此在其中随机地抽取一部分病人进行研究，这就是所谓样本。所谓母体样本我理解其实是个有限总体。比方说，在某一时间对某一地区的胃癌病人进行研究，那么有关这些病人的数据就组成了一个母体样本，实际上就是一个有限总体或有限母体。因为不能取到所有病人的数据，于是随机抽取一部分病人的数据，这就是样本。 可以想见样本可以有很多，总体或母体（样本）只有一个。因此，母体样本只是我们中国人的叫法。在英文中可能没有完全相应的叫法，翻为POPULATION即可。我列的POPULATION SAMPLE也是根据字面硬凑的，现在看来不合适。 我现在看不到更多的CONTEXT，不过我看14个questionnaires作为母体样本是远远不够的。如果是调查对朱古力的喜好或减肥效果的话，那么（在某一地区）所有可能买到朱古力的人或肥胖的人就是一个总体或母体（样本），在其中随机地分发（不可能对所有的有关人发放）questionnaires调查有关情况或数据，相当于在其中抽取样本。故我估计您这里的所谓母体样本其实只是一个样本，翻译成SAMPLE即可，原文可能在概念上或表达上有些问题。以上仅为我根据我的专业知识谈的看法，不一定对，仅供参考。
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“Parent(母体OR亲体)” has a different meaning from POPULATION (总体OR母体)in the biological world. There may be some term confusion. Parent in genetics mean the original generation and in chemistry it means the substances other chemicals derived from maybe. But it is not used standing for either population or sample.
In Taiwan they use 母体instead of 总体 in statistics. My guess is this material containing 母体 to be translated is from Taiwan not from Mainland China. This may be the reason for all the confusion. Please refer to http://probstat.nuk.edu.tw/content2/statics_1.htm and http://www.google.com/search?q=母体样本 POPULATION&ie=UTF-8&oe=U...
So the 母体 here really means 总体 (POPULLATON) of mainland China, not parent, source, or mother.
Moreover, I think here 14 is not enough for either母体 or 总体（population），or in there ward母体样本，so here we should just use “ sample ”.
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“a (the) sample from the population” or just “sample”
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My last opinion: It should be translated as “a (the) sample from the population” or just “sample”
It’s a mathematic jargon.
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Note added at 2004-02-16 12:00:00 (GMT)
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After returning from work , I have found hte basis in my dictionaries for my answer:
No.1: 英汉大词典（上海译文出版社出版、发行，1991年9月第一版,陆谷孙主编）： POPULATION： 6.[统]总体,母体(指统计所要研究的对象的全体).
No.2: 英汉技术词典(国防工业出版社出版,清华大学编):POPULATION:2. [数](对象)总体,全体.
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Note added at 2004-02-16 18:51:31 (GMT)
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Link No.1 is not comlete. Here it is http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:9-tDdQ58vPEJ:www.datami...
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Note added at 2004-02-17 03:10:56 (GMT)
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可能有必要解释一下总体也就是母体（POPULATION和样本（SAMPLE）在统计学上的意义。总体是相同类型个体组成的集合体， 有无限总体和有限总体之分。比方说要进行胃癌发病原因的研究，那么可以将所有的胃癌病人视为一个总体，如果不加地区和时间的限制，那这就是一个无限总体，如果加上地区和时间的限制，那就是一个有限总体。可以想见不可能对所有的胃癌病人进行研究，因此在其中随机地抽取一部分病人进行研究，这就是所谓样本。所谓母体样本我理解其实是个有限总体。比方说，在某一时间对某一地区的胃癌病人进行研究，那么有关这些病人的数据就组成了一个母体样本，实际上就是一个有限总体或有限母体。因为不能取到所有病人的数据，于是随机抽取一部分病人的数据，这就是样本。 可以想见样本可以有很多，总体或母体（样本）只有一个。因此，母体样本只是我们中国人的叫法。在英文中可能没有完全相应的叫法，翻为POPULATION即可。我列的POPULATION SAMPLE也是根据字面硬凑的，现在看来不合适。 我现在看不到更多的CONTEXT，不过我看14个questionnaires作为母体样本是远远不够的。如果是调查对朱古力的喜好或减肥效果的话，那么（在某一地区）所有可能买到朱古力的人或肥胖的人就是一个总体或母体（样本），在其中随机地分发（不可能对所有的有关人发放）questionnaires调查有关情况或数据，相当于在其中抽取样本。故我估计您这里的所谓母体样本其实只是一个样本，翻译成SAMPLE即可，原文可能在概念上或表达上有些问题。以上仅为我根据我的专业知识谈的看法，不一定对，仅供参考。
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Note added at 2004-02-18 01:37:21 (GMT)
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“Parent(母体OR亲体)” has a different meaning from POPULATION (总体OR母体)in the biological world. There may be some term confusion. Parent in genetics mean the original generation and in chemistry it means the substances other chemicals derived from maybe. But it is not used standing for either population or sample.
In Taiwan they use 母体instead of 总体 in statistics. My guess is this material containing 母体 to be translated is from Taiwan not from Mainland China. This may be the reason for all the confusion. Please refer to http://probstat.nuk.edu.tw/content2/statics_1.htm and http://www.google.com/search?q=母体样本 POPULATION&ie=UTF-8&oe=U...
So the 母体 here really means 总体 (POPULLATON) of mainland China, not parent, source, or mother.
Moreover, I think here 14 is not enough for either母体 or 总体（population），or in there ward母体样本，so here we should just use “ sample ”.
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Note added at 2004-02-20 01:07:49 (GMT)
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“a (the) sample from the population” or just “sample”
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My last opinion: It should be translated as “a (the) sample from the population” or just “sample”
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ysun
: In statistics, we say “parent population” or just “population” for 母体 or 总体. See http://probstat.nuk.edu.tw/content2/statics_1.htm
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, folks!! A big thanks especially to Yueying and Jianming. Mr Sun, you wouldn't mind that I give the points to Jianming, right??? :) I know you stayed up for this question...... hmm, I'll send you another postcard???"
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Chinese term (edited):
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samples from the mothers?
It seems like to be something about newborns' health conditions as contributed by their mothers.
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Chinese term (edited):
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source sample
It sounds to me like source sample as you said. But it's really hard to tell from the text here.
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In that case, it could mean source sample/questionaires or master sample/questionnaires.
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In that case, it could mean source sample/questionaires or master sample/questionnaires.
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jyuan_us
: 原始样本=母体样本？I don't know.
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Chinoise
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Lu Zou
: http://61.220.105.139/publichealth.org.tw/cjph_18_5_abs.html
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Rod Nelson
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matrix sample
For example: Extracellular Matrix Sample Exam Questions (from Google). Matrix is the word you want.
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jyuan_us
: Thank you. However I have to say it is not the answer. Matrix means the table. The simplest Matrix is 2 X 2 table, which is used to demonstrate the data of at least 2 samples. Sample is sample, table is table. Matrix never used to describe a sample.
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Yes, it is so used, as you would see if you bothered to check Google.
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chica nueva
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Chinese term (edited):
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the meaning...
So 14 questionnaires came back, but of those, only 8 were used in the final analysis? Six were put aside.
Maybe this is self-evident. You need a word for the 14 before the 6 are pulled out...
I'm not sure that 样本 = sample
It really means 'valid returns'or 'questionnaire responses'
样本can be translated sample book, or specimen book in some cases.
Maybe this is self-evident. You need a word for the 14 before the 6 are pulled out...
I'm not sure that 样本 = sample
It really means 'valid returns'or 'questionnaire responses'
样本can be translated sample book, or specimen book in some cases.
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Chinese term (edited):
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sample of mothers
Please see an example of this expression on the referenced page.
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Questionnaires are mailed to a representative sample of mothers when their infants are 6 months of age.
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Questionnaires are mailed to a representative sample of mothers when their infants are 6 months of age.
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Master Samples
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I think Jianming is right.
This is a term in statistics.
母体样本 = samples from the parent population
母体 = parent population (or population)
样本＝samples
Please see the following two websites:
1. From http://140.112.92.42/wwang/Sbook/study/the-15-study.files/fr...
抽样基本概念
母群体(Parent Population，Universe)：
群体：欲了解之抽象事物集合体
母体：群体中具备有某一特性的集合体
通常群体或全体 > 母体；但两者多可互用，称为母群体
2. From http://probstat.nuk.edu.tw/content2/statics_1.htm
样本与母体
名词解析
名词： 母体(population)
解释： 研究对象全体所构成之集合。
名词： 样本(sample)
解释： 从母体中选取一些代表性的子集合。
生活中的实例
样本与母体
某地方的选举，约有50万的选民，他们选举会投给谁是我们兴趣所在，因此这50万的选民便构成了母体，若我们随机地抽出该地方1200位选民，藉以了解他们投票的倾向，而这被抽取出的1200位的选民便构成样本。而样本数就是1200。
3. In your example, suppose there are 1000 people in your college, and you sent out 15 questionnaires within the college. The 1000 people are “母体” (parent population). The 14 questionnaires you recovered are “母体样本” (samples from the population). The 6 persons who do not eat chocolate are called subset (子集). I hope this would be helpful.
By the way, I am not afraid of chocolate at all! :)
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I only quoted a small part from the two websites. See the websites for details. Thank you! Enjoy statistics!
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Note added at 2004-02-20 16:07:03 (GMT) Post-grading
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Denyce,
I don\'t mind your giving points to my brother - Jianming SUN, but could you please send me a box of chocolate? - Just kidding!
母体样本 = samples from the parent population
母体 = parent population (or population)
样本＝samples
Please see the following two websites:
1. From http://140.112.92.42/wwang/Sbook/study/the-15-study.files/fr...
抽样基本概念
母群体(Parent Population，Universe)：
群体：欲了解之抽象事物集合体
母体：群体中具备有某一特性的集合体
通常群体或全体 > 母体；但两者多可互用，称为母群体
2. From http://probstat.nuk.edu.tw/content2/statics_1.htm
样本与母体
名词解析
名词： 母体(population)
解释： 研究对象全体所构成之集合。
名词： 样本(sample)
解释： 从母体中选取一些代表性的子集合。
生活中的实例
样本与母体
某地方的选举，约有50万的选民，他们选举会投给谁是我们兴趣所在，因此这50万的选民便构成了母体，若我们随机地抽出该地方1200位选民，藉以了解他们投票的倾向，而这被抽取出的1200位的选民便构成样本。而样本数就是1200。
3. In your example, suppose there are 1000 people in your college, and you sent out 15 questionnaires within the college. The 1000 people are “母体” (parent population). The 14 questionnaires you recovered are “母体样本” (samples from the population). The 6 persons who do not eat chocolate are called subset (子集). I hope this would be helpful.
By the way, I am not afraid of chocolate at all! :)
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Note added at 2004-02-18 20:55:42 (GMT)
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I only quoted a small part from the two websites. See the websites for details. Thank you! Enjoy statistics!
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Note added at 2004-02-20 16:07:03 (GMT) Post-grading
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Denyce,
I don\'t mind your giving points to my brother - Jianming SUN, but could you please send me a box of chocolate? - Just kidding!
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Jianming Sun
: Thanks!The part you quoted may also come from Taiwan. They use different terms from what I learned at college and from our textbooks. I am busy at this moment. Later I will look into it carfully. Thank you very much for your time and energy!
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Yes, they are from Taiwan, but the English terms are the same. I did take statistics while in graduate school here. Thanks!
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chica nueva
: Yes, the idea of subset and superset from set theory came to mind.
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