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English term or phrase:
replete with dagger > complete with...
French translation:
muni d'un poignard / couteau
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Tony M
Dec 1, 2013 11:01
10 yrs ago
English term
replete with dagger
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Sporting a matching army knife belt, **replete with dagger**, Urlusa Andress, as she emerged dripping from the water, epitomised the femme fatale.
je ne vois pas du tout ici comment traduire cela.
Merci de vos suggestions!
je ne vois pas du tout ici comment traduire cela.
Merci de vos suggestions!
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Dec 3, 2013 09:21: Tony M Created KOG entry
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muni d'une dague
I can't remember the scene, so don't know if the 'dagger' was more of a 'dague' or a 'poignard'.
I always think that 'replete with' is incorrect usage in this sort of context, but I may be wrong on that point; at any rate, I think one needs to understand it as 'complete with'.
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Here are the relevant definitions of 'replete' from NS OED:
A1 Filled or abundantly supplied with ... a thing or things
2 Filled to satisfaction with ... food or drink; gorged, sated.
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Asker:
Following directly on from 'knife belt' as it does, I can only read 'replete with dagger' as referring to the belt; it seems incoceivable to me that it might qualify a following noun — however 'replete' Ms Andress' bikini might be in other ways!
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In terms of the bikini, I do think both definitons 1 and 2 might apply.
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To me, the word order is wrong if it were intended to refer to Ms Andress; if the 'knife belt' and 'dagger' had not been closely connected items (and as born out byt the scene from the film), then perhaps there might have been some argument for dissociating them; but in terms of word order, I'd have expected: "Sporting a knife belt and replete with lunch, Ursula Andress ..." or "Sporting a knife belt, Ursula Andress, replete with lunch ..."
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This issue of 'replete with' is an interesteing one, and I cannot justify it any better than by claiming it is a matter of native-speaker 'feeling'; to me, 'replete' (as borne out by the OED definitions) conveys a similar notion to 'brimming with' — there is some notion of a recipient and some kind of contents, be it even figurative. So one might say someone was 'brimming with enthusiasm' or that the glass was 'brimming with fine wine' — here, the idea of 'full to the brim' is clear, and it is often used with a positive connotation.
I believe the similarity with 'replete' is quite a good one (and cf. the literal translation 'repu' in FR), and I cannot conceive how a kife belt can be said to be 'brimming' with anything; one might, of course, talk about an enemy spaceship 'bristling with' weapons — but that's a different image.
I maintain my assertion that in this particular instance, the writer simply made a mistake (and it's a common-enough mistake even among native speakers of EN) in trying to be clever and use 'replete' instead of 'complete'.
I always think that 'replete with' is incorrect usage in this sort of context, but I may be wrong on that point; at any rate, I think one needs to understand it as 'complete with'.
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-12-01 12:25:04 GMT)
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Here are the relevant definitions of 'replete' from NS OED:
A1 Filled or abundantly supplied with ... a thing or things
2 Filled to satisfaction with ... food or drink; gorged, sated.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-12-01 13:12:07 GMT)
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Asker:
Following directly on from 'knife belt' as it does, I can only read 'replete with dagger' as referring to the belt; it seems incoceivable to me that it might qualify a following noun — however 'replete' Ms Andress' bikini might be in other ways!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-12-01 13:13:55 GMT)
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In terms of the bikini, I do think both definitons 1 and 2 might apply.
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To me, the word order is wrong if it were intended to refer to Ms Andress; if the 'knife belt' and 'dagger' had not been closely connected items (and as born out byt the scene from the film), then perhaps there might have been some argument for dissociating them; but in terms of word order, I'd have expected: "Sporting a knife belt and replete with lunch, Ursula Andress ..." or "Sporting a knife belt, Ursula Andress, replete with lunch ..."
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This issue of 'replete with' is an interesteing one, and I cannot justify it any better than by claiming it is a matter of native-speaker 'feeling'; to me, 'replete' (as borne out by the OED definitions) conveys a similar notion to 'brimming with' — there is some notion of a recipient and some kind of contents, be it even figurative. So one might say someone was 'brimming with enthusiasm' or that the glass was 'brimming with fine wine' — here, the idea of 'full to the brim' is clear, and it is often used with a positive connotation.
I believe the similarity with 'replete' is quite a good one (and cf. the literal translation 'repu' in FR), and I cannot conceive how a kife belt can be said to be 'brimming' with anything; one might, of course, talk about an enemy spaceship 'bristling with' weapons — but that's a different image.
I maintain my assertion that in this particular instance, the writer simply made a mistake (and it's a common-enough mistake even among native speakers of EN) in trying to be clever and use 'replete' instead of 'complete'.
Note from asker:
Tony, what I did not understood here was, whether replete with refers to Andress, or to the belt, although in my mind it could only refer to her and not to it. And as you say, replete seemed strange in the context. Many thanks again for your help! |
Thank you Tony!! |
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FX Fraipont (X)
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Merci, F-X ! :-)
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Cyrille Flamant
: I would call i a "poignard" as it is more of a diving knife - here is the scene, enjoy ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3lAjyUUS1g
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Merci, Cyrille ! Oh yes, definitely more a 'poignard' then. Personally, I prefer the version with Daniel Craig... ;-)
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katsy
: and feel, too, that 'replete with' is not correct usage here
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Thanks, Katsy!
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emiledgar
: Yes, they are using replete for complete - the knife belt is completed with a dagger
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Merci, Emile !
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Victoria Britten
: Fun with James Bond of a Sunday afternoon! // Daniel Craig, that is ;-)
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Thanks, Victoria! Mmmm... / Double mmmm!
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Daryo
: "replete" is not strange at all - it's used to underline that the military belt is for real - "even the dagger is there" / "the belt is not empty - it's filled as it should be - the dagger is not missing"// only a question of "nuance"
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Well, that argument aside, it doesn't really change the translation, does it?
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Comment: "Many thanks to all, that was a difficult one and I am grateful for the help!"
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assorti(e) d'un couteau/d'un poignard
les descriptifs du film parlent ou de poignard ou de couteau. On dit même souvent - poignard à la ceinture
replete = erreur !
replete = erreur !
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Platary (X)
: Il s'agit bien d'un couteau / poignard de plongée. Scène devenue culte.
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writeaway
: parfait
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Tony M
: This was my first thought too, but on reflection, I'm not sure it's ideal. To me (admittedly as a non-native speaker!), this always suggests 'accompanied by'; but since the knife belongs naturally with the knife-belt, I wonder if it really fits as well?
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y compris le poignard / poignard inclus
Explanation:
Sporting a matching army knife belt, replete with dagger, Urlusa Andress, as she emerged dripping from the water, epitomised the femme fatale.
the army knife belt is "replete" i.e. filled/equipped with the matching hardware - a dagger; i.e. even the dagger is there / is not missing
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".... , y compris le poignard, ..."
" ... , poignard inclus, ...
replete
rɪˈpliːt/Submit
adjective
1.
filled or well-supplied with something.
"sensational popular fiction, replete with adultery and sudden death"
synonyms: filled, full, well stocked, well supplied, well provided, crammed, crowded, packed, jammed, stuffed, teeming, overflowing, bursting, brimful, brimming, loaded, overloaded, thick, solid, charged, abounding; More
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=replete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_bikini_of_Ursula_Andress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ursula_Andress_in_Dr._No.j...
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Bertrand Leduc
: Sorry Daryo, it does not sound right in French. The sentence would be too awkward in this context.// Yes for a technical document, but not here!
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"... la voiture, pneu de secours inclus" "un ceinturon militaire, poignard inclus" etc. ... ça sonne bizarre? //"même Pierrot est venu" = "Pierrot est venu"?
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mchd
: d'accord avec Bertrand, expression valable dans un contexte commercial ou technique, mais expression à banir pour ce contexte !
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ce contexte = "the military belt" ou bien "Ursula Andress"? // Cerner la nuance exacte (appelez ça pinailler si vous préférez) peut parfois être un exercice utile...
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Jocelyne Cuenin
: Va pour poignard inclus :-) On est à couteaux tirés ici :-)
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Merci!
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''lesté d'un poignard'' ou ''un poignard à la ceinture''
Plus naturel IMO
3 Jan 2013 - Ursula Andress. Son premier film fut un coup de maître puisque son apparition en maillot de bain lesté d'un poignard dans James Bond contre ...
http://www.linternaute.com/cinema/star-cinema/actrices-stars...
C'est dans ce premier opus qu'Ursula Andress sort des eaux jamaïquaines avec un bikini blanc, un poignard à la ceinture et deux coquillages dans les mains, ...
http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/8024/Stars/photoalbum/detail/1511...
3 Jan 2013 - Ursula Andress. Son premier film fut un coup de maître puisque son apparition en maillot de bain lesté d'un poignard dans James Bond contre ...
http://www.linternaute.com/cinema/star-cinema/actrices-stars...
C'est dans ce premier opus qu'Ursula Andress sort des eaux jamaïquaines avec un bikini blanc, un poignard à la ceinture et deux coquillages dans les mains, ...
http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/8024/Stars/photoalbum/detail/1511...
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Daryo
: et moi qui était convaincu que le but de l’opération est de traduire la nuance exprimée par "replete with", non pas de choisir une préférence personnelle parmi les descriptions de la même scène faites par d’autres auteurs//+ ça ne colle pas avec le reste
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I am sure that Anne is competent enough to make the necessary adjustments.
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mchd
: un poignard à la ceinture, "ça colle très bien". Pour Daryo : à méditer également http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/pinailler
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Merci !
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Jocelyne Cuenin
: Je trouve que lesté est intéressant.
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Merci, moi aussi ! :)
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tout poignard dehors
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"charme de l'arme au poing"
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Le charme de cette actrice dans les eaux jamaïcaines est parachevé par la rutilance du poignard qui en fait une femme fatale.
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Il y a une virgule après "belt" et Ursula Andress (sujet) est décrite comme attirant le regard avec sa ceinture d'armée seyante, fortifiée par son intention de tuer et entièrement dominée par son poignard. Un ensemble de courbes et d'ondulations de démences est décrit, celles des eaux jamaïcaines, la ceinture de l'actrice et le reflet du poignard. C'est le monde du déchaînement des passions avec une femme fatale. On s'attend à un drame étant donné le décor et son apparition en bikini et avec une arme.
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"charme de l'arme au poing"
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Le charme de cette actrice dans les eaux jamaïcaines est parachevé par la rutilance du poignard qui en fait une femme fatale.
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Il y a une virgule après "belt" et Ursula Andress (sujet) est décrite comme attirant le regard avec sa ceinture d'armée seyante, fortifiée par son intention de tuer et entièrement dominée par son poignard. Un ensemble de courbes et d'ondulations de démences est décrit, celles des eaux jamaïcaines, la ceinture de l'actrice et le reflet du poignard. C'est le monde du déchaînement des passions avec une femme fatale. On s'attend à un drame étant donné le décor et son apparition en bikini et avec une arme.
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Platary (X)
: Jamais vu James Bond ? http://www.onrembobine.fr/dossiers/dossier-50-ans-de-james-b...
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Reference comments
1 day 54 mins
Reference:
replete/complete. not an uncommon error.
REPLETE/COMPLETE
“Replete” usually means “stuffed,” “full to overflowing.” After eating a complete ten-course meal, you are replete.
Although it has been used as a simple synonym for “complete,” this is now an unusual usage, and it is better to stick with the more common word “complete” when you have a choice.
https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/replete.html
“Replete” usually means “stuffed,” “full to overflowing.” After eating a complete ten-course meal, you are replete.
Although it has been used as a simple synonym for “complete,” this is now an unusual usage, and it is better to stick with the more common word “complete” when you have a choice.
https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/replete.html
Note from asker:
Many thanks, this is very helpful! |
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