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Dec 16, 2011 09:45
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French term

naufrage de son Armada

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Charles - Quint tente d’envahir Alger en octobre 1641 et parvient à monter jusqu’à la colline qui domine la ville, appelée koudiat saboun (aujourd’hui les Tagarins), où il plantera sa tente et d’où il assistera au naufrage de son Armada qui mouille en face, à Tamenfoust.
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Proposed translations

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the wreckage of his Armada...

or "the shipwreck"...
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the wrecking/destruction of his fleet

The attempt to take Algiers took place in 1541! Charles' fleet was so seriously damaged in a storm that the battle for the city, which looked almost over in his favour, was lost: "Les galères les plus proches de terre ne tiennent pas sur leurs grappins et 15 d’entre elles sont jetées à la côte, les naufragés sont aussitôt attaqués sur la plage par les troupes maures. Plus au large les vaisseaux et les navires de transport chassent eux aussi sur leurs ancres, nombre d’entre eux sont également drossés sur la plage, d’autres encore abordent ceux dont les ancres ont mieux tenu et coulent au milieu de la tourmente. L’estimation la plus basse des pertes s’élèvent à 86 bâtiments dont 40 à 50 grands vaisseaux." http://attarikh.over-blog.com/article-32411327.html

The word Armada is indicative of the Spanish fleet, but is so strongly associated with the 1588 rousting that I would stick to fleet.

Not wreckage, because that refers to one wrecked vessel. And we can't us shipwreck or sink, because many of the vessels broke up onshore.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Hal D'Arpini : Interesting remark on the usage of "wreckage;" I'll have to research that further. Fleet is perfectly acceptable, of course, but I'm wondering if lower-case "armada" might likewise be okay. I think it's generically used to indicate a fleet of warships.
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sinking of his armada


"Sinking" is one of the acceptable translation of "naufrage," and is specifically used when referring to a fleet of warships that has been defeated in battle. The most common example, of course, is "the sinking of the Spanish Armada," or, as my second reference below refers to it, "THE PROVIDENTIAL GLORIOUS SINKING OF THE SPANISH ARMADA." [Caps in original]

I spelled "armada" with a lower-case because that's the spelling used when referring to any warfleet that's not the Spanish Armada (upper-case a).


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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-12-16 12:14:27 GMT)
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Correction: at the very end, I meant to say "upper-case a" rather than "lower-case a" in referring to the Spanish Armada. (Sorry.)
Peer comment(s):

agree Lara Barnett : This seems the more usual way to express this. I would go with capital A for Armada.
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