Jul 1, 2011 13:59
12 yrs ago
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French term
Native in: Dutch 
Works in: French to Dutch, Dutch to English, Dutch to French, and 3 more.
100% végétal
Non-PRO
French to English
Other
Food & Drink
produits minceur
dans le contexte de potage (100% végétal), savon végétal,
comment traduire végétal ?
comment traduire végétal ?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | all vegetable |
Michelangela
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| 4 +2 | 100% plant origin/plant based |
Mark Nathan
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| 4 +1 | 100% vegan |
B D Finch
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| 3 +2 | 100% vegetable origin |
Tony M
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| 4 | 100% vegetable/vegetarian |
cc in nyc
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References
| L'Occitane soap |
cc in nyc
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Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:
PRO (1): Rachel Fell
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Proposed translations
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43 mins
Michelangela
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all vegetable
A google search for "all vegatable soap" gives aprox. 18.400.000 results :-)
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Note added at 44 mins (2011-07-01 14:43:44 GMT)
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See http://www.millersoap.com/soapallveg.html as well
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-07-01 15:04:43 GMT)
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Plz correct the misspelling - it's "all vegetable soap"!
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Note added at 23 hrs (2011-07-02 13:50:35 GMT)
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I've seen all-vegetable as well ;-)
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Note added at 44 mins (2011-07-01 14:43:44 GMT)
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See http://www.millersoap.com/soapallveg.html as well
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-07-01 15:04:43 GMT)
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Plz correct the misspelling - it's "all vegetable soap"!
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Note added at 23 hrs (2011-07-02 13:50:35 GMT)
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I've seen all-vegetable as well ;-)
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Don't quite know where you got that figure from, my Google search only found 114,000-odd — still a worthwhile number, though! / Google does indeed behave oddly depending on what country you're in ;-)
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I tried again and a google search on "all vegetable soap" returns "About 17,800,000 results (0.20 seconds) "!
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Catharine Cellier-Smart
: soap is one item, but there's also soup (P.S. your Google search results are for all vegetable soap without quotations marks. With quotations marks gives Tony's figure above)
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| agree |
cc in nyc
: with quotes, I get 266K ghits for "all vegetable soap" – could work, but why not keep the original "100%"? ;-) //
Just BTW, you'll get many fewer ghits if the entire search term is enclosed in quotes. ;-)
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Because of Google figures for all vegetable soap - more than 17 Million results :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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8 mins
100% vegan
While I would go along with Tony's answer for the soap, it does not seem right for food. Vegetarian also won't do, as that can include eggs and dairy produce, which is why French distinguishes between végétalien (vegan) and végétarien (vegetarian).
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Could be fine if targeting that sort of clientele; but might be seen as out of place in more main-stream applications
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Thanks Tony. I don't think so, "vegan" is widely understood and it would be the most accurate and acceptable word to use in the context of food.
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Mark Nathan
: I would be wary of describing a product as "100% vegan" unless you are specifically targeting the vegan market (speaking as a vegetarian).
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4 mins
100% vegetable origin
Always a little tricky, since if you say just "100% vegetable", it can sound as if you have a load of carrots only...!
That's why I usually add 'orgin', which then makes it unambiguous.
Of course, incidentally, it probably is 100% vegetable soup — but that's different, and a special case!
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It does depend, of course, on what it is intended for; this solution would be fine for a rather formal list of ingredients, but might not suit a pack slogan, for example.
As Barbara has highlighted, and as I said above, the problem is that FR has two words (végétal' and 'legume') to differentiate, whereas we don't. The 'rare' use of 'vegetable' to mean 'any member of the plant kingdom' isn't actually all THAT rare, given that we talk about 'vegetable oil' and of course the famous GB L/E show "Animal, Vegetable, Mineral".
As I said, I think adding 'origin' avoids the problem, but possibly raises the register.
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It's really all about the difference between the countable noun 'a vegetable' and the adjective 'vegetable' (oil, fat, etc.)
That's why I usually add 'orgin', which then makes it unambiguous.
Of course, incidentally, it probably is 100% vegetable soup — but that's different, and a special case!
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It does depend, of course, on what it is intended for; this solution would be fine for a rather formal list of ingredients, but might not suit a pack slogan, for example.
As Barbara has highlighted, and as I said above, the problem is that FR has two words (végétal' and 'legume') to differentiate, whereas we don't. The 'rare' use of 'vegetable' to mean 'any member of the plant kingdom' isn't actually all THAT rare, given that we talk about 'vegetable oil' and of course the famous GB L/E show "Animal, Vegetable, Mineral".
As I said, I think adding 'origin' avoids the problem, but possibly raises the register.
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It's really all about the difference between the countable noun 'a vegetable' and the adjective 'vegetable' (oil, fat, etc.)
Peer comment(s):
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Mark Nathan
: as you say, "végétal" can mean any member of the PLANT kingdom // OK, but soap can contain things like herbs, olive oil, spices etc - which are not usually referred to as vegetables, although I suppose they could be...See my discussion entry.
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Yes, but we do use vegetable in that way too, as I've illustrated above. / They are not 'vegetables' [= noun], but they are 'vegetable' [adjective]
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Sheila Wilson
: Takes me back to "20 Questions" on the radio: animal, vegetable or mineral? // Whoops - didn't read all the notes above!
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Thanks, Sheila! Oh yes, of course, that was the actual name of the prog. I was thinking of!
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cc in nyc
: The French says "100%," so that's what I would probably use in the English. I might, or might not, leave off "origin." // For soup, I think "100% vegetarian" precludes using ingredients of animal origin.
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Thanks, C! I agree about leaving off 'origin', except for the soup, because '100% vegetable' soup sounds a bit silly to me, implying it is made of vegetables (which it is), but omitting the fact that there are no ingredients at all of animal origin.
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5 hrs
100% plant origin/plant based
is how I usually translate it.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Good solution!
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Thanks Tony.
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Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
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cc in nyc
: It might work for soap, but it doesn't sound appealing for soup ;-)
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1 day 4 hrs
100% vegetable/vegetarian
Each context must be considered separately. For instance, "100% vegetable" for soap, "100% vegetarian" for soup... but "100% vegetable oil," "100% vegetable juice." And yet "100% vegetarian capsules."
Reference comments
23 hrs
Reference:
L'Occitane soap
Wrapper of Savon extra-doux (lait)/Extra-Gentle Soap (Milk) says: Savon pur végétal/Pure vegetable soap.
Discussion
"any of various herbaceous plants having parts that are used as food ....". Collins also notes the following "Rare any member of the plant kingdom" (i.e. including non-edible plants). Plant-based could include e.g. wood shavings and one really wouldn't want that in one's soup! Note that it is not an accepted definition to say that a vegetable is the "edible part of a plant" because some of those edible parts are classified as fruit and some may be edible, but nobody would want to eat them.