Sep 20, 2010 22:34
13 yrs ago
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Italian term
United States
US English - native. Published author.
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Spanish to English
contratto di affidamento dei lavori
Italian to English
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Law: Contract(s)
HI all -
I am translating a contract and am wondering how to render this correctly in English.
The whole context:
"CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI RELATIVI ALLA CONTRUZIONE..."
Generally "affidamento" is trust or reliance. "Reliance contract" seems strange in English.
My inclination is to assume "subcontracting" is inferred.
Does that seem right?
Thanks a lot!
I am translating a contract and am wondering how to render this correctly in English.
The whole context:
"CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI RELATIVI ALLA CONTRUZIONE..."
Generally "affidamento" is trust or reliance. "Reliance contract" seems strange in English.
My inclination is to assume "subcontracting" is inferred.
Does that seem right?
Thanks a lot!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | works concession contract |
Dominic Currie
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| 4 +4 | contract for works |
Oliver Lawrence
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| 5 | Works Awarding Contract |
Claudia Cherici
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References
| An email dialogue |
Mr Murray (X)
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Change log
Sep 21, 2010 07:35: Daniela Zambrini changed "Term asked" from "CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI " to "contratto di affidamento dei lavori"
Proposed translations
8 hrs
Italian term (edited):
CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI
Selected
works concession contract
An alternative to the Oliver's answer that reflects the "affidamento" with concession and gets a fair number of ghits.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Mr Murray (X)
: This matches the general idea and description of "contratto di affidamento dei lavori" for construction - I just don't know if that's the best 'name' for it.
1 hr
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I felt this was the closest however I ended up using "work concession contract" actually after long consideration."
5 hrs
Claudia Cherici
Italy
Italy
Native in Italian
Specializes in field
Italy
30+ years experience in tech translation
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English
Related KudoZ points
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52
Italian term (edited):
CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI
Works Awarding Contract
This is what i'd use. Plenty of references
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Peter Cox
10 mins
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thanks Peter
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| neutral |
Oliver Lawrence
: doesn't actually appear on the internet as a whole phrase more than once, so I would have my doubts
2 hrs
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Well, "awarding contract" alone would work. "Works awarding" also works as a single phrase. I think you can safely combine the two! and I can assure you i've heard it used (working in field)
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| disagree |
Mr Murray (X)
: With 30 yrs of construction contract management worldwide, I've never heard of this in English or Italian. I could find lots of "ghits" for 'cat' - that doesn't explain much. Grammatically it's wrong - what is a "contract for awarding works" "???"
5 hrs
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see above. "awarding contract" has 237000 ghits. what is there to disagree???
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| neutral |
CristianaC
: sorry I meant to agree with Oliver answer and dont think I can cance this..
9 hrs
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+4
7 hrs
Oliver Lawrence
Italy
Italy
Native in English
Specializes in field
Italy
Texts with zest by a Chartered Linguist
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK)
Works in: Italian to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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223
Italian term (edited):
CONTRATTO DI AFFIDAMENTO DEI LAVORI
contract for works
widely used term (over half a million Ghits)
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Claudia Cherici
: I don't think it reflects the 'awarding' bit sufficiently clearly. it would work in other contexts
6 mins
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| agree |
Dr Lofthouse
: 100%
6 hrs
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| agree |
Rachel Fell
: the "award" element might well be as a verb in English, the sense of a valid contract carries the understanding that it's been awarded, surely? - depends on the sentence/context
6 hrs
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| agree |
CristianaC
7 hrs
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| agree |
Mr Murray (X)
: Based on a day's research, I have to agree with this as being the best solution. Well done.
14 hrs
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Reference comments
21 hrs
Reference:
An email dialogue
This is a response I had to one of the emails I sent out earlier today, from an American expert in civil engineering contracts who works out of Rome:
Q "I translate and have a civil engineering background. On a website for translators there is a question for translating:
'contratto di affidamento dei lavori' for construction projects."
A "This means a standard construction contract where the design is the Employer’s responsibility."
Q "All of the uses of this in Italian lead me to believe it is a 'design build contract tender' for capital works projects by municipalities."
A "The term does not mean “design-build” and there is nothing to restrict its use to “works projects by municipalities” or any other public contracting authority."
Q "Yet, I cannot linguistically connect the Italian term to 'design build' and in reverse, cannot find a term for 'design build' in Italian."
A "Design-Build or Turn-key are not common forms of contracting in Italy. The nearest I can come to this meaning would be “un contratto congiunto.”"
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I found this information very helpful for my work and thought it was appropriate to share it here.
Q "I translate and have a civil engineering background. On a website for translators there is a question for translating:
'contratto di affidamento dei lavori' for construction projects."
A "This means a standard construction contract where the design is the Employer’s responsibility."
Q "All of the uses of this in Italian lead me to believe it is a 'design build contract tender' for capital works projects by municipalities."
A "The term does not mean “design-build” and there is nothing to restrict its use to “works projects by municipalities” or any other public contracting authority."
Q "Yet, I cannot linguistically connect the Italian term to 'design build' and in reverse, cannot find a term for 'design build' in Italian."
A "Design-Build or Turn-key are not common forms of contracting in Italy. The nearest I can come to this meaning would be “un contratto congiunto.”"
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I found this information very helpful for my work and thought it was appropriate to share it here.
Discussion
"design-build"
or
"progettazione-realizzazione"
I will post a reference entry of an email I had from an expert in this field. I'm still unconvinced but think I will not get this answered anytime soon.
Sorry for any confusion.
I hate to use the 'discussion' area for suggesting what an answer might be, but I'm quite concerned about this one. Maybe someone can tell me what 'design-build' contracts are called in Italian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design-build
I've sent emails to engineers specializing in these contracts and will post a question to the Kudoz English to Italian for 'design build' in the meantime.
Thanks in advance.