Nov 29, 2007 17:05
16 yrs ago
Spanish term
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en la pasa
Spanish to English
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Military / Defense
17 Century Spanish
Full clause: ...el enemigo de verdad ha perdido todo de muchos en la pasa 5.000 sin muchos heridos."
17 c. Spanish - The words of a Spanish general (Duke of Alburquerque) excusing himself following the defeat of the Spanish at the battle of Rocroi.
17 c. Spanish - The words of a Spanish general (Duke of Alburquerque) excusing himself following the defeat of the Spanish at the battle of Rocroi.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | in the trenches |
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Alan Jimenez
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in the trenches
no estoy seguro pero suerte
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Note added at 35 mins (2007-11-29 17:40:44 GMT)
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could also mean "along the way/to date"
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Note added at 40 mins (2007-11-29 17:46:17 GMT)
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real academia esp. pasa2.(de pasar)f.canalizo entre bajos por el cual pueden pasar los barcos
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:06:05 GMT)
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in the trenches, significa, adonde se lucha/gana/pierde la batalla,en primera liñea,literallmente los "trenches" son las zanjas en las que se escondeden los soldados con metralleta en mando y el enimigo en frente
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:08:02 GMT)
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good luck!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:11:38 GMT)
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esconden,metralleta en mano,enemigo
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Note added at 16 hrs (2007-11-30 09:28:12 GMT)
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with that in mind perhaps along the way would be more suitable, bearing in mind though that "in the trenches" is a common term which can also mean on the front line or in the battelfield, first line of defence/attack etc.
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Note added at 35 mins (2007-11-29 17:40:44 GMT)
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could also mean "along the way/to date"
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Note added at 40 mins (2007-11-29 17:46:17 GMT)
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real academia esp. pasa2.(de pasar)f.canalizo entre bajos por el cual pueden pasar los barcos
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:06:05 GMT)
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in the trenches, significa, adonde se lucha/gana/pierde la batalla,en primera liñea,literallmente los "trenches" son las zanjas en las que se escondeden los soldados con metralleta en mando y el enimigo en frente
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:08:02 GMT)
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good luck!
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 19:11:38 GMT)
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esconden,metralleta en mano,enemigo
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Note added at 16 hrs (2007-11-30 09:28:12 GMT)
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with that in mind perhaps along the way would be more suitable, bearing in mind though that "in the trenches" is a common term which can also mean on the front line or in the battelfield, first line of defence/attack etc.
Note from asker:
| I doubt whether 17 C battles in Flanders used trenches in open engagements on a battlefield. The battle of Rocroi did not have any to my knowledge. There are various descriptions of the battle amongst which Wikipedia, so I think that the possibility of "plaza" or fortress, fortification etc. is more likely yet still mystifying as the battle was fought on a plain outside the fortress of Rocroi that the Spanish were besieging. |
| I imagine that expression in the trenches as meaning "on the front line" dates from the 1st WW. Along the way seems a little cosmetic - a sort of quick fix - and Uy's suggestion that it is a mispelling of Plaza seems at this point to be the most likely explanation. In any event, thanks for the suggestions. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Arleene McFarlane
: more with "along the way"
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Thanks Arleene
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| agree |
neilmac
: Sounds OK to me, there were trenches in the movie "Alatriste", no?
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thanks neil,it´s hard to be sure but that´s my best shot ,ww1 may have the popularised the saying but surely we´ve been "in the trenches" since the beggining of time :-)
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1 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Can't say this is the translation I shall use but as Uy did not enter an answer, hope you get the point (if you pardon the pun). Definitely not for glossary as it is a mispelling of plaza (in my opinion)."
Discussion
Thanks for that.
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