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Scammers requesting to buy Systran language software
Thread poster: Nathalie Reis
Ledja
Ledja  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:45
English to Albanian
+ ...
Such a shame :D May 12, 2010

... Because they accepted my inflated rates straight away and would have kept me busy with an easy 4000 words per week. I would have made a decent living and rejected all other job offers! If only it didn't smell so fishy!

However, now I'm done with irony, I am feeling quite wary of the fact that I sent this person my CV. That'll teach me not to be so keen on making a good impression with possible clients on the very first exchange of emails.

Thanks to everyone for s
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... Because they accepted my inflated rates straight away and would have kept me busy with an easy 4000 words per week. I would have made a decent living and rejected all other job offers! If only it didn't smell so fishy!

However, now I'm done with irony, I am feeling quite wary of the fact that I sent this person my CV. That'll teach me not to be so keen on making a good impression with possible clients on the very first exchange of emails.

Thanks to everyone for such a useful exposure of scam.
Regards,
Ledja
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Mohammad Emami
Mohammad Emami  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Member (2010)
English to Persian (Farsi)
+ ...
Yes, he is now addressing English > Persian translators... May 14, 2010

The message to me is from Kevin and again via TranslationDirectory:

Thanks for your response.
Your specailties and rates are okay with us.
I"ll briefly give you details about the job then you can
choose to continue or not.We have a long term project for
translations and the topic
areas are:Business,Medical,Legal,Technical,Humanities,History,
Arts,Politics,Economics,I.T
e.t,c
we can offer as much as 4000
words 4 days in
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The message to me is from Kevin and again via TranslationDirectory:

Thanks for your response.
Your specailties and rates are okay with us.
I"ll briefly give you details about the job then you can
choose to continue or not.We have a long term project for
translations and the topic
areas are:Business,Medical,Legal,Technical,Humanities,History,
Arts,Politics,Economics,I.T
e.t,c
we can offer as much as 4000
words 4 days in a week depending on how much work you can handle.And because of
the kind of companies and the kind of project we are doing.We also require that
you get Systran software(Business version).Even as you start work and
we can send one for you at
good discount rate or you can get it by your self from a shop close to
you.We pay translators twice a month by Westernunion,Paypal and
Banktransfer.I"ll be expecting your feedback on this so we an start
the
process.Thanks
Regards,
PRIME TRANSLATION


I requested him some more info and he said:

Thanks for your reply.
I"m sorry our website is currently under maintenance and upgrade but will be available shortly.The software is compulsary because you'll need it to work with us.Please note that the required tool is Systran business version and the cost is $389 but if you"ll like to get it from us we can offer it to you at a discount of $290.Once you have it we"ll get you started.Let me know if this is suitable for you.Thanks


I wonder what's the point for doing this job? Is he looking for customers for this software? In this fraudulent manner?
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Maria Tompazou
Maria Tompazou  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:45
English to Greek
+ ...
"Mr Kevin" is hoping to make a lot of money!!!!! May 20, 2010

Addressing English-Greek translators as well!!!! The man has no limits!

I searched for his "company" after he contacted me and instead of finding a decent company website, I discovered this thread and the whole scheme was revealed!!! I wanted to contact him again to see if I can get some of his personal information and also to express my interest in buying the software from him,
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Addressing English-Greek translators as well!!!! The man has no limits!

I searched for his "company" after he contacted me and instead of finding a decent company website, I discovered this thread and the whole scheme was revealed!!! I wanted to contact him again to see if I can get some of his personal information and also to express my interest in buying the software from him, but the only thing I got was this:

Thanks for your reply.I'm sorry we dont accept the home edition.The required tool is Systran business version and the cost is $389.But if you'll like to get it from us we'll offer it to you at a discount of $290.Once you have it we'll get you started.Thanks

Thanx everyone for exposing him and continue to be suspicious! Don't fall for anything even though a job offering might sound catchy and we do live in hard times!!!!

Maria T.
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Kornelija Karalic
Kornelija Karalic  Identity Verified
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 17:45
Member (2006)
English to Bosnian
+ ...
''Mr. Kevin again'' May 20, 2010

I have received the same message from Mr. Kevin:

Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)

Inbox X

Reply
|
TranslationDirectory.com on behalf of Kevin
to me

show details 12:45 PM (7 hours ago)

Dear Mrs. Kornelija Mujkic,

Kevin has sent the following message to you and
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I have received the same message from Mr. Kevin:

Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)

Inbox X

Reply
|
TranslationDirectory.com on behalf of Kevin
to me

show details 12:45 PM (7 hours ago)

Dear Mrs. Kornelija Mujkic,

Kevin has sent the following message to you and to other translators listed at:

http://www.TranslationDirectory.com/translators/english_bosnian.php

==============================================

We are currently in need of English to Bosnian Translators.If you"ll like
to work with us,Please indicate by
Sending us your CV and let us know your rates and specialties.Thanks
Regards,
Project Manager
PRIME Translations Company



Thank you all for this useful information.
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Ashim
Ashim
India
Local time: 21:15
English to Bengali
+ ...
Mr. Kevin this time in Kolkata May 23, 2010

NOTE PINE TRANSLATION

from Pine translation
to ashim infinity
date Sun, May 23, 2010 at 7:58 PM
subject RE: application for the post of freelance translator in the Bengali-English pair
mailed-by hotmail.com

hide details 7:58 PM (1 hour ago)

Thanks for your response.
Your specailties and rates are okay with us.
I"ll briefly give you details about the job then you can
choose to continue or not.We have a long term
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NOTE PINE TRANSLATION

from Pine translation
to ashim infinity
date Sun, May 23, 2010 at 7:58 PM
subject RE: application for the post of freelance translator in the Bengali-English pair
mailed-by hotmail.com

hide details 7:58 PM (1 hour ago)

Thanks for your response.
Your specailties and rates are okay with us.
I"ll briefly give you details about the job then you can
choose to continue or not.We have a long term project for
translations and the topic
areas are:Business,Medical,Legal,Technical,Humanities,History,
Arts,Politics,Economics,I.T
e.t,c
we can offer as much as 4000
words 4 days in a week depending on how much work you can handle.And because of
the kind of companies and the kind of project we are doing.We also require that
you get Systran software(Business version).Even as you start work and
we can send one for you at
good discount rate or you can get it by your self from a shop close to
you.We pay translators twice a month by Westernunion,Paypal and
Banktransfer.I"ll be expecting your feedback on this so we an start
the
process.Thanks
Regards,

PRIME TRANSLATION

> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:22:18 +0530
> Subject: Re: application for the post of freelance translator in the Bengali-English pair
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
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Fady Dagher
Fady Dagher
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:45
French to Arabic
+ ...
More potential "victims" May 25, 2010

Hello everybody,

Well, it seems Mr. Kevin is back, and he's hungry for more FRESH TRANSLATORS' BLOOD!

It's useless to copy and paste the messages I got from him today, because except the language pair (FR-AR), they're PERFECTLY IDENTICAL to all the other messages you have copied and pasted in here (including the line breaks! LOL)!

Thanks for everyone who had shared his experience on here, you
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Hello everybody,

Well, it seems Mr. Kevin is back, and he's hungry for more FRESH TRANSLATORS' BLOOD!

It's useless to copy and paste the messages I got from him today, because except the language pair (FR-AR), they're PERFECTLY IDENTICAL to all the other messages you have copied and pasted in here (including the line breaks! LOL)!

Thanks for everyone who had shared his experience on here, you have juste saved my life!

Kind regards,
Fady.
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Galina F
Galina F
United States
Local time: 11:45
English to Russian
+ ...
Now it's French to Russian May 25, 2010

I've got the same e-mail. I'm glad I found this thread. Thank you all.

Galina


 
Mary Watson
Mary Watson  Identity Verified
Local time: 11:45
German to English
+ ...
Thank heavens for the Blue Board! May 25, 2010

I just got an e-mail from this person, Steve Parks. He posted an ad Proz.com last week asking for freelance German translators. Yes, he is pushing Systran. I'm so glad I googled the name before I replied to him.

 
Alina - Maria Chiteala
Alina - Maria Chiteala  Identity Verified
Romania
Local time: 18:45
Member (2011)
English to Romanian
+ ...
I told him I have Systran May 26, 2010

I received again the offer and knowing it is a scam I told them I already have Systran and to send me the file to translate because we can start the job right away.
Never heard from them again.)


 
Dixie Eva Kilus
Dixie Eva Kilus
Malaysia
Local time: 23:45
Russian to Indonesian
+ ...
SITE LOCALIZER
they know we are aware...that they've changed names and email Jun 1, 2010

Note that they have changed their details as they realize that we know who they are now. When I first correspond with them, I didn't have a single idea about this crooks not until I read this on forum today. I am glad I didn't fall for their scam though and told them (nicely..) that I would get the Systran software myself from a local dealer. Like some of you have experienced, yes, they never contacted me anymore.

Nevertheless, though they had changed their name, company name, email
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Note that they have changed their details as they realize that we know who they are now. When I first correspond with them, I didn't have a single idea about this crooks not until I read this on forum today. I am glad I didn't fall for their scam though and told them (nicely..) that I would get the Systran software myself from a local dealer. Like some of you have experienced, yes, they never contacted me anymore.

Nevertheless, though they had changed their name, company name, email contact they still use the same "PICK UP" line to cheat us especially new and naive translators. Watch out people...Remember always buy your language software machine from reliable local / trusted internet stores. Not some dodgy so-called company. They always exude something fishy between their lines.

Beware of this name,email, company name: *different names, same pickup line*

Pine translation"
Kevin
PRIME TRANSLATIONS COMPANY

PS: I hope this information helps!
(read the email below for more info)
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RE: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:21 PM
From:"dixie kil"
View contact details
To:"Pine translation"

Thank you for your offer to sell to me Systran, anyway, I will get back to you by tomorrow once I have that particular program installed in my laptop ( purchased from a local dealer). Thanks.

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Pine translation wrote:


From: Pine translation
Subject: RE: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
To: "dixie kil"
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 11:18 PM

Thanks for your reply.
Please note that the required tool is Systran business version and the cost is $389 but if you"ll like to get it from us we can offer it to you at a discount of $290.Once you have it we"ll get you started.Let me know if this is suitable for you.Thanks
Regards,
PRIME TRANSLATION

Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:14:41 -0700
From: "dixie kil"
Subject: RE: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
To: [email protected]

Thanks for the email. For the particular Systran Business software, I will be purchasing and installing it tomorrow for works convenience. Do forward me more details of the works or projects that your company is working on and how the works need to be done.

Kind regards,
Dixie

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Pine translation wrote:


From: Pine translation
Subject: RE: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
To: "dixie kil"
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 7:19 PM

Thanks for your response.
Your specailties and rates are okay with us.
I"ll briefly give you details about the job then you can
choose to continue or not.We have a long term project for
translations and the topic
areas are:Business,Medical,Legal,Technical,Humanities,History,
Arts,Politics,Economics,I.T
e.t,c
we can offer as much as 4000
words 4 days in a week depending on how much work you can handle.And because of
the kind of companies and the kind of project we are doing.We also require that
you get Systran software(Business version).Even as you start work and
we can send one for you at
good discount rate or you can get it by your self from a shop close to
you.We pay translators twice a month by Westernunion,Paypal and
Banktransfer.I"ll be expecting your feedback on this so we an start
the
process.Thanks
Regards,
PRIME TRANSLATION

Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 03:56:07 -0700
From: "dixie kil"
Subject: Re: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
To: [email protected]
CC: miss_tutui

Hello,
I specialize in translating English to Malay or Indonesia with a current rate of USD0.05 per word. Please refer to my CV for more details.

I am looking forward to working with you in the future.

Kind regards,
Dixie
Freelancer

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, TranslationDirectory.com on behalf of Kevin wrote:


From: TranslationDirectory.com on behalf of Kevin
Subject: Translation Job (Message sent through TranslationDirectory.com)
To: "dixie kil"
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 6:51 PM

Dear "dixie kil",

Kevin has sent the following message to you and to other translators listed at:

http://www.TranslationDirectory.com/translators/english_malay.php

==============================================

We are currently in need of English to Malay Translators.If you"ll like
to work with us,Please indicate by
Sending us your CV and let us know your rates and specialties.Thanks
Regards,
Project Manager
PRIME Translations Company
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Natalie
Natalie  Identity Verified
Poland
Local time: 17:45
Member (2002)
English to Russian
+ ...

MODERATOR
SITE LOCALIZER
Moving the thread Jun 4, 2010

Dear all,

Please note that this thread is about scammers who impersonate real outsourcers or otherwise act fraudulently. Please DO NOT post here anything about real outsourcers as this is against forum rules (namely, http://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/8#8 ).

Please also note that I am moving the thread to the Internet for Translators forum.

Natalia


 
Jeff Allen
Jeff Allen  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 17:45
Multiplelanguages
+ ...
can you put this thread in the MT forum Jun 4, 2010

There is actually an MT forum on ProZ now.

Wouldn't it make more sense to put a thread about the SYSTRAN MT tool in the MT forum?

Jeff


 
Jeff Whittaker
Jeff Whittaker  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 11:45
Spanish to English
+ ...
Report to Systran Jun 5, 2010

Has anyone thought about contacting Systran so that they can remove him as an affiliate?

 
Laurent KRAULAND (X)
Laurent KRAULAND (X)  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 17:45
French to German
+ ...
Report to Systran (2) Jun 5, 2010

Jeff Whittaker wrote:

Has anyone thought about contacting Systran so that they can remove him as an affiliate?


From what I know and from what I read, this entity never was affiliated to Systran in any way. They just pretend to be.

Furthermore, I seem to remember that Systran have been alerted about the misuse of their name, brand and reputation.


 
Jeff Whittaker
Jeff Whittaker  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 11:45
Spanish to English
+ ...
Systran Jun 5, 2010

By affiliate I meant that he received some kind of commission from Systran for the sale of its products (like Amazon affiliates) or was able to purchase the product from Systran at a discounted rate and then resell it to "customers". I never considered the possibility that victims would get no software at all and/or pirated software for their money.

I hope that Systran will send him a cease and desist letter.

Laurent KRAULAND wrote:

Jeff Whittaker wrote:

Has anyone thought about contacting Systran so that they can remove him as an affiliate?


From what I know and from what I read, this entity never was affiliated to Systran in any way. They just pretend to be.

Furthermore, I seem to remember that Systran have been alerted about the misuse of their name, brand and reputation.


 
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