May 9, 2007 17:58
17 yrs ago
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Italian term

graffati

Italian to English Law/Patents Real Estate
This is part of a property description in a deed of sale. I see that a similar question went unanswered a couple of years ago, but I'm wondering if anyone has come across it since then. Context:
"...censito nel NCEU con il fg. 554, mapp.61 sub. 702 e mapp. 63 sub.701 graffati in base alla scheda in data 15 settembre 1997..."
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 joined/merged (here)
4 +1 Clipped, stapled
3 attached

Discussion

Rosanna Palermo May 10, 2007:
Good choice Sylvia.Sorry I was not been able to work on Proz yesterday so I could not comment till today. Gvag's explanation is great. "joined" or "connected" are the terms used. "connected"rooms in hotels means rooms sharing an internal door :o)
Sylvia Gilbertson (asker) May 10, 2007:
La parola "accorpato" non appare nel testo. L'orribile termine burocratico sarebbe "graffati", e ho deciso di tradurrla con una parola semplice e chiara - "joined".
Thanks to all for your assistance.
Giovanni Pizzati (X) May 10, 2007:
No. Mi riferivo al corrispondente italiano: accorpato.
Sylvia Gilbertson (asker) May 10, 2007:
Giovanni, non so se ho capito bene: mi dici che "joined" in inglese e' un "orribile termine burocratico"? Non sono d'accordo...
Giovanni Pizzati (X) May 10, 2007:
Sylvia, traduci con un orribile termine burocratico usato presso l'Agenzia del Territorio (ex-UTE) : "accorpato", that is unified, joined. Le istituzioni pubbliche sono differenti tra i Paesi e il traduttore deve approssimare in modo chiaro, senza sofismi
Sylvia Gilbertson (asker) May 9, 2007:
the paragraph begins:
"un laboratorio de due vani con servizio al piano terra censito nel NCEU..."
and continues as noted above. To me, that means it's been recorded in the NCEU. Right now, the term "joined" seems to make the most sense to me, and the explanation gvag has provided sounds perfectly reasonable in this context.
Rosanna Palermo May 9, 2007:
I hate to throw a monkey wrench in the picture but what exactly is the text precededing NCEU? Censito can mean a census and I do not see how "in base"or "based upon" fits graffati . Thanks!

Proposed translations

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joined/merged (here)

Example from http://www.visurnet.com/pertinenze_immobili.htm

Secondo il Fisco i terreni «non graffati» all'immobile agevolato, in quanto iscritti autonomamente nel Catasto terreni, non possono avvalersi del beneficio fiscale. Per usufruire dell'agevolazione le «aree scoperte» pertinenziali devono risultare censite al Catasto urbano insieme al bene principale.

In the case in point, it is a technical term indicating that the two units fg. 554, mapp.61 sub. 702 AND mapp. 63 sub.701 in the official property register are joined/merged and considered as a single unit for tax purposes, even though they were originally identified separately when first registered; this, as a result of the request deposited on 15/09/1997.

The term derives from graffa/graffetta, as in clip, or parentesi graffa, which are used to join, one physically, the other metaphorically.
Peer comment(s):

agree Russell Jones
1 hr
agree philgoddard : Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for the clear explanation!"
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17 mins

Clipped, stapled

Garzanti Dic
Peer comment(s):

agree gmel117608 : gmel117608
49 mins
Grazie. La graffa o graffetta è un clip.
agree potra : Yes, graffare coulp be rendered as stapled, but it could also mean attachment depending on context
1 hr
Grazie
disagree Russell Jones : this has a specific meaning nel contesto catastale
3 hrs
It. is a language of shades. Here aggraffati means coupled, the etymology is the idea of clipped cards containg such cadastral data relevant to the different parts of estate
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19 mins

attached

I think it literally means "stapled", so I've used attached in the past. That's my guess. It makes sense to me in the context, anyway. Ciao.
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