Apr 30, 2009 14:49
15 yrs ago
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German term
Syntax question
German to English
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
Confidentiality statement
There is one last sentence that needs to be cracked before I can send off this job: "Er hat unverzüglich nach Kenntniserlangung von der Offenbarungspflicht unter Benennung der jeweils zu offenbarenden vertraulichen Information, des Empfängers und der Rechtsgrundlage der Offenbarungspflicht zu informieren."
The syntax has me puzzled here - how can you inform a legal basis? Unless "Rechstgrundlage" refers back to an earlier part of the sentence and does not collocate with "informieren".
Could this be a typo with "und" inserted in error? I have asked the client and am awaiting an answer. Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
The syntax has me puzzled here - how can you inform a legal basis? Unless "Rechstgrundlage" refers back to an earlier part of the sentence and does not collocate with "informieren".
Could this be a typo with "und" inserted in error? I have asked the client and am awaiting an answer. Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | explanation |
lisa23
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| 4 | There is something missing |
Elke Fehling
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| 4 | indicate the information and the legal basis |
TechLawDC
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| 3 | Rechtsgrundlage |
Camilla Seifert
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| 3 | disclose the information |
Olav Rixen
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Change log
Apr 30, 2009 15:34: Steffen Walter changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
Proposed translations
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28 mins
Selected
explanation
what belongs together is "unter Benennung (a) der jeweils zu offenbarenden vertraulichen Information, (b) des Empfängers und (c) der Rechtsgrundlage der Offenbarungspflicht
i.e. (as an example) immediately after having become aware of the duty of disclosure, he/she/it has to indicate/state/give notice of (a) the item of confidential information to be disclosed , (b) the recipient of information and (c) the legal basis (laws, statutory regulations, etc.) of the duty of disclosure
however, I think that the object is missing in the German version (jmd. informieren): xxx has to notify yyy of (a), (b) and (c)
i.e. (as an example) immediately after having become aware of the duty of disclosure, he/she/it has to indicate/state/give notice of (a) the item of confidential information to be disclosed , (b) the recipient of information and (c) the legal basis (laws, statutory regulations, etc.) of the duty of disclosure
however, I think that the object is missing in the German version (jmd. informieren): xxx has to notify yyy of (a), (b) and (c)
Note from asker:
| Thankyou, Lisa - I await news from the client re: the accuracy of the ST. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ken McKerrow
: Seems pretty clear the other party to the NDA is the party to be informed, as you indicate
1 day 1 hr
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Thanks Ken
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks again, Lisa"
26 mins
Camilla Seifert
South Africa
South Africa
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Native in: English 
, German
Works in: German to English, English to German
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Rechtsgrundlage
I think "Rechtsgrundlage" refers to the Offenbarungspflicht, i.e. on what legal basis the duty to disclose is founded. This is how I see it. Good luck! Once he has been informed of the duty to disclose, by stating the relevant disclosed information, its recipient and the legal basis of the duty to disclose - he is obliged to notify.... here I lack context. I hope it helps.
Note from asker:
| Thanks Camilla, a different interpretation to some others. Again, I will be interested to hear from the client. |
28 mins
Elke Fehling
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There is something missing
"Er hat unverzüglich nach Kenntniserlangung von der Offenbarungspflicht unter Benennung der jeweils zu offenbarenden vertraulichen Information, des Empfängers und der Rechtsgrundlage der Offenbarungspflicht zu informieren."
The sentence doesn't mention who is to be informed. The object is missing. A possible correction could be:
"Er hat IHN unverzüglich nach Kenntniserlangung von der Offenbarungspflicht unter Benennung
-der jeweils zu offenbarenden vertraulichen Information,
- des Empfängers
- und der Rechtsgrundlage der Offenbarungspflicht
zu informieren."
The sentence doesn't mention who is to be informed. The object is missing. A possible correction could be:
"Er hat IHN unverzüglich nach Kenntniserlangung von der Offenbarungspflicht unter Benennung
-der jeweils zu offenbarenden vertraulichen Information,
- des Empfängers
- und der Rechtsgrundlage der Offenbarungspflicht
zu informieren."
Note from asker:
| Thanyou, Elke - interesting hat you believe something is missing. This is a tricky sentence to decode. |
33 mins
disclose the information
Horrible sentence. Anyway, this is how I understand the sentence. The person must disclose the information immediately after being notified of his obligation to do so, which information he must disclose, who the recipient of the information is and on what legal ground he/she is obligated to provide the information.
Maybe you can cobble a reasonable sentence together.
Maybe you can cobble a reasonable sentence together.
Note from asker:
| Olav, thanks for this. |
2 hrs
indicate the information and the legal basis
Immediately after being informed of the obligation to disclose, under circumstances in which the information which is to be disclosed is [sufficiently] specified, he/it is required to indicate the recipient of such information, and the legal basis for the obligation to disclose.
((The recipient of this "indication" is likely a third party who may have the right to intervene to stop the disclosure.))
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-01 04:08:37 GMT)
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(Of course, in the main answer I mean "indicate the recipient and the legal basis".) error corrected
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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-05-01 09:33:23 GMT)
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This is a possible alternative to the proposal of Lisa23, which is the only other one which makes since.
Her proposal would read: Immediately after being informed of the obligation to disclose, he/it is required to identify [to Party X] the information which is to be disclosed, and to indicate the [proposed] recipient of such information and the legal basis for the obligation to disclose.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-05-01 09:34:46 GMT)
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since = sense
((The recipient of this "indication" is likely a third party who may have the right to intervene to stop the disclosure.))
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-01 04:08:37 GMT)
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(Of course, in the main answer I mean "indicate the recipient and the legal basis".) error corrected
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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-05-01 09:33:23 GMT)
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This is a possible alternative to the proposal of Lisa23, which is the only other one which makes since.
Her proposal would read: Immediately after being informed of the obligation to disclose, he/it is required to identify [to Party X] the information which is to be disclosed, and to indicate the [proposed] recipient of such information and the legal basis for the obligation to disclose.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-05-01 09:34:46 GMT)
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since = sense
Note from asker:
| Thankyou |
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