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Feb 14, 2018 10:43

6 yrs ago

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Dr. Nicole Holzenthal de Cimadevilla

Spain

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Discovering traces of xxx in yyy (historically) - preposition?

Non-PRO English Social Sciences History Philosophy

Discovering Spanish traces in/of European Philosophy - searching for sources of Western philosophy in Spanish thinkers
Textual context: Project title
Target: international commitee for evaluation of a scientific project

Commentary: I am not sure about the preposition. What is the best solution:
Discovering Spanish traces in European Philosophy
or
Discovering Spanish traces of European Philosophy???

Slightly alternative proposals welcome as well. Thanks!

Responses

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Discovering Spanish traces in European Philosophy

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Change log

Feb 14, 2018 10:47: Thomas Pfann changed "Language pair" from "Spanish to English" to "English"

Feb 14, 2018 20:51: Carol Gullidge changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Feb 18, 2018 09:48: airmailrpl Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Yvonne Gallagher, philgoddard, Carol Gullidge

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Discussion

Carol Gullidge Feb 14, 2018: @BdiL I guess you're referring to my comment above (5th down from the top), you need to take the whole comment into account, including the header: OK, that [i.e., my comment above] only works when "Spanish" is understood to refer to the language and not for example to Spanish roots/sources/culture. This only goes to show the need for proper context! Confusing, I know, but I'm NOT implying that in this case the word "Spanish" only refers to the language. In fact I feel it's quite likely that the sources would be cultural, linguistic, etc. But without further context, we have no means of really knowing what exactly is intended here
BdiL Feb 14, 2018: Just wondering. I cannot understand why Spanish should refer just to the language (barring roots/sources/culture). Would an "English" ear (and here I AM talking about language) appreciate "discovering traces of Spain in European philosophy" as "truly English"? As a non-native I'd say the more natural expression would be "Spanish traces", but perhaps I don't count. I guess "Looking for the Spanish roots of European philosophy" would be understood as an absolute, meaning that E. phil. really started only in Spain; the rest being just frills. Instead, E. phil. has several roots (in many countries) and I'd rephrase it as "looking for the Spanish roots in European philosophy". However, I'll be glad to have some native speaker dissolve my doubts and (should it be the case) to crush my convictions. Maurizio
Carol Gullidge Feb 14, 2018: sorry Danya my msg above was referring to my previous msg and not to your reply!
Carol Gullidge Feb 14, 2018: OK, that only works when "Spanish" is understood to refer to the language and not for example to Spanish roots/sources/culture. This only goes to show the need for proper context!
danya Feb 14, 2018: what about Looking for the Spanish roots of European philosophy ? (although Spain technically IS Europe)
Carol Gullidge Feb 14, 2018: Agree with Helena without context, it's impossible to know what traces are being discovered in what. But I'd guess at something like "Discovering traces OF Spanish IN European History", i.e., you'd need BOTH prepositions!
Yvonne Gallagher Feb 14, 2018: definitely IN but title could probably be improved if you posted as a Sp > En question...
Helena Chavarria Feb 14, 2018: @Asker Could you give us the original Spanish title please?