Oct 28, 2019 14:49
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las Gracias y los Héroes
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This is from a play about the composer Schumann's wife. The character is reading a letter:
lee) “Ha llegado el elegido cuya cuna parecen haber velado las Gracias y los Héroes. Su nombre es Johannes Brahms y viene de Hamburgo… Desde el instante en que se sienta ante el piano nos arrastra a regiones maravillosas, haciéndonos entrar con él en un mundo ideal. Brahms es el compositor que Alemania estaba esperando.”
The Graces and the Heroes seems sort of literal...
Maybe just the gods?
lee) “Ha llegado el elegido cuya cuna parecen haber velado las Gracias y los Héroes. Su nombre es Johannes Brahms y viene de Hamburgo… Desde el instante en que se sienta ante el piano nos arrastra a regiones maravillosas, haciéndonos entrar con él en un mundo ideal. Brahms es el compositor que Alemania estaba esperando.”
The Graces and the Heroes seems sort of literal...
Maybe just the gods?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | Graces and Heroes |
neilmac
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Taña Dalglish
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Graces and Heroes
The three Graces were only minor deities but held sway over beauty, creativity, fertility and the arts. I'd just translate it literally. In fact, I found what appears to be the exact same sentence in a link online:
Brahms and His World - Page 103 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.es › books
Walter Frisch - 1990 - Biography & Autobiography
And such a one IMS appeared; a young man over whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood watch. His name is Johannes Brahms, ...
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NB: Literal translations are not always a bad thing IMHO. You just need to exercise some discretion.
Brahms and His World - Page 103 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.es › books
Walter Frisch - 1990 - Biography & Autobiography
And such a one IMS appeared; a young man over whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood watch. His name is Johannes Brahms, ...
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Note added at 14 mins (2019-10-28 15:04:16 GMT)
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NB: Literal translations are not always a bad thing IMHO. You just need to exercise some discretion.
Example sentence:
... like Athena from the head of Zeus; a young man over whose cradle graces and heroes have stood watch
Robert Schumann, who himself writes about Johannes: "He came to this elect, in whose cradle the graces and heroes seem to have been watching.
Peer comment(s):
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patinba
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Marie Wilson
47 mins
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Helena Chavarria
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Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales
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franglish
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Taña Dalglish
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Exhibits at the Irving S. Gilmore Music ... - Yale University Library
https://www.library.yale.edu › exhibits › schumann › neue_zeitschrift
In the fall of 1853 he visited Robert and Clara Schumann in Düsseldorf, following a recommendation by Joseph ... And he has come; a young man over whose cradle **Graces and Heroes** have stood watch. His name is Johannes Brahms…
It is what it is, Wendy.
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Piano Works - Page ix - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com.jm › books
Robert Schumann, Joseph Banowetz - 2002 - Music
Finally, after Schumann took the matter to court, Wieck disowned his daughter and publicly ... Clara wrote in her diary: Now begins a new existence, a beautiful life, a life wrapped up in him ... And such a one has come, a young man over whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood guard. His name is Johannes Brahms.
BRAHMS, J.: 51 Exercises, WoO 6 (Biret) - Naxos Records
https://www.naxos.com › mainsite › blurbs_reviews
In 1853 Schumann contributed a famous last essay to the Leipzig Neue Zeitschrift für Musik. ... whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood watch": "Johannes Brahms is ... One could meet Johannes Brahms any day on the Ringstrasse, a heavy, ... training and about technique in general much more than my mother [Clara] ...
https://www.library.yale.edu › exhibits › schumann › neue_zeitschrift
In the fall of 1853 he visited Robert and Clara Schumann in Düsseldorf, following a recommendation by Joseph ... And he has come; a young man over whose cradle **Graces and Heroes** have stood watch. His name is Johannes Brahms…
It is what it is, Wendy.
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Note added at 24 mins (2019-10-28 15:13:55 GMT)
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Piano Works - Page ix - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com.jm › books
Robert Schumann, Joseph Banowetz - 2002 - Music
Finally, after Schumann took the matter to court, Wieck disowned his daughter and publicly ... Clara wrote in her diary: Now begins a new existence, a beautiful life, a life wrapped up in him ... And such a one has come, a young man over whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood guard. His name is Johannes Brahms.
BRAHMS, J.: 51 Exercises, WoO 6 (Biret) - Naxos Records
https://www.naxos.com › mainsite › blurbs_reviews
In 1853 Schumann contributed a famous last essay to the Leipzig Neue Zeitschrift für Musik. ... whose cradle Graces and Heroes have stood watch": "Johannes Brahms is ... One could meet Johannes Brahms any day on the Ringstrasse, a heavy, ... training and about technique in general much more than my mother [Clara] ...
Discussion
For what it's worth, my opinion is that since the play is presumably intended for performance, it must be instantly understandable to the audience, and you would be justified in putting "gods". Alternatively, you could add "of ancient Greece" to clarify which heroes you're talking about.