Oct 27, 2017 03:00
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Russian term
Australia
PhD in Linguistics, NAATI certified
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Danish to Russian, Russian to English, and 5 more.
поддержание государственного обвинения
Russian to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Criminal Law
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Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
10 hrs
Selected
Prosecuting Crimes
This is what it actually means in English, and this is how it would most likely be phrased by a native, so that other natives would understand what it means.
Based on this and other similar links:
http://arm.kubsu.ru/attachments/365_Поддержание государствен...
this appears to be a legitimate term of art in Russian law, but translating it as "support of" or "maintenance of" (eew!) makes it about how many sugars you as a paralegal are supposed to put into the prosecutor's coffee, i.e. amounts to a mistranslation. Susan is perfectly right about that. It is not about any "support" functions. It is about prosecuting crimes, so why not say it in a manner your target audience will understand?
Which, in turn, opens yet another can of worms. Who is the target audience here and what do they expect you to produce? If they want the comfort of usual Runglish, then you may indeed be better off simply calling it "public prosecution," which will definitely work in this case too, even if it doesn't win you any prizes for the beauty of your legal prose:)
Finally, definitely "public," not "State". Not in AmE anyway.
Based on this and other similar links:
http://arm.kubsu.ru/attachments/365_Поддержание государствен...
this appears to be a legitimate term of art in Russian law, but translating it as "support of" or "maintenance of" (eew!) makes it about how many sugars you as a paralegal are supposed to put into the prosecutor's coffee, i.e. amounts to a mistranslation. Susan is perfectly right about that. It is not about any "support" functions. It is about prosecuting crimes, so why not say it in a manner your target audience will understand?
Which, in turn, opens yet another can of worms. Who is the target audience here and what do they expect you to produce? If they want the comfort of usual Runglish, then you may indeed be better off simply calling it "public prosecution," which will definitely work in this case too, even if it doesn't win you any prizes for the beauty of your legal prose:)
Finally, definitely "public," not "State". Not in AmE anyway.
Note from asker:
| Thank you, Misha, no, Runglish is not an option here, it is intended for one of the Australian Universities, and I certainly do not want them to raise their eyebrows at my translation! @Susan, I see what you mean, but I think when they see the number of hours - 72 - they will change their meaning:). |
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29 mins
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
On time, on target, on budget.
Native in: English 
, Polish
Works in: Polish to English, English to Polish, Russian to Polish, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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328
support of state prosecution
Proposition.
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Note added at 31 mins (2017-10-27 03:32:05 GMT)
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One Russian source for confirmation:
К ВОПРОСУ О ПРИЗНАНИИ ПОДДЕРЖАНИЯ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОГО ОБВИНЕНИЯ В КАЧЕСТВЕ ОТДЕЛЬНОЙ ФУНКЦИИ СОВРЕМЕННОЙ РОССИЙСКОЙ ПРОКУРАТУРЫ
On the question of recognition of state prosecution support as a separate function of the present-day Russian Prosecution Office
https://elibrary.ru/item.asp?id=20444698
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One Russian source for confirmation:
К ВОПРОСУ О ПРИЗНАНИИ ПОДДЕРЖАНИЯ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОГО ОБВИНЕНИЯ В КАЧЕСТВЕ ОТДЕЛЬНОЙ ФУНКЦИИ СОВРЕМЕННОЙ РОССИЙСКОЙ ПРОКУРАТУРЫ
On the question of recognition of state prosecution support as a separate function of the present-day Russian Prosecution Office
https://elibrary.ru/item.asp?id=20444698
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Oleg Lozinskiy
3 hrs
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Thank you, Oleg.
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Vladyslav Golovaty
4 hrs
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Thank you, Vladys.
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Susan Welsh
: What does it mean? Makes no sense to me.
7 hrs
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It makes sense in the context of Russian law.
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The Misha
: It sure does make sense in the context of Russian law, but we are translating into English here, aren't we? Kindly see what I wrote in my own answer below.
10 hrs
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This is a give and take here. We do have to take into account the opinions of our brethren back home.
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6 hrs
Mikhail Zavidin
Native in Russian
Works in field
The key thing is: be a perfectionist.
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Russian
Related KudoZ points
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96
public prosecution
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public prosecution process
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Note added at 9 час (2017-10-27 12:12:02 GMT)
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public prosecution process
Peer comment(s):
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Susan Welsh
: But what about the "подержание" part? This in itself could not be an item on a diploma.
2 hrs
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Thank you! The "подержание" is about "ведение” or “осуществление” here.
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6 hrs
Ekaterina Grebenshchikova
Native in Russian
Specializes in field
Legal/Business/Subtitles
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
Public Prosecution
Как вариант можно и без дословного перевода, просто 'Public Prosecution'. Также 'Public', возможно, более уместно, так как 'state' всегда может иметь отношения и к судебной системе штата (в США), что в русском языке не подразумевается, и англоязычный сайт Ген. прокуратуры РФ так переводит:
https://eng.genproc.gov.ru/organization_chart/subjects/
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The only term close to the Russian "поддержание" I have encountered in relation to Public Prosecution was management — program in Public Prosecution Management, but it was offered in a Kenyan university, so I wouldn't cite it as a correct or common translation.
https://eng.genproc.gov.ru/organization_chart/subjects/
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The only term close to the Russian "поддержание" I have encountered in relation to Public Prosecution was management — program in Public Prosecution Management, but it was offered in a Kenyan university, so I wouldn't cite it as a correct or common translation.
Peer comment(s):
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Susan Welsh
: But what about the "подержание" part? This in itself could not be an item on a diploma.//OK. I'm voting "neutral" because I really don't know whether there's a better technical term.
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Susan, 'поддержание' here means conducting or leading, which may be omitted when translated into English. In my opinion and according to google search it's understood that students taking this course will learn about how to manage public prosecution.
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5 days
Federal prosecution implementation
Example sentence:
9-27.130 - Implementation Each United States Attorney and responsible Assistant Attorney General should establish internal office procedures to ensure: That prosecutorial decisions are made at an appropriate level of responsibility, and are made consiste
Reference comments
9 hrs
Susan Welsh
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Reference:
This appears to be a technical term...
...judging by the number of google hits. "Support" sounds like it could be the work of a paralegal, or someone who brings coffee to the prosecution team. Other EN translations I find are "maintenance" (which is equally unclear) and "representation" (see Reverso link to the UN Corpus). None of these are authoritative.
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