rudiments

English translation: name of a class year

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English term or phrase:rudiments
Selected answer:name of a class year
Entered by: janejira

17:06 Jun 3, 2017
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English term or phrase: rudiments
A man of old age told about his childhood in Roman Catholic Public School, saying "There were seven classes-elements, figures, rudiments, grammar, syntax, poetry and rhetoric and we are allotted a year for each or seven in all

So what is rudiments as subject?

Please help me
Sorry to post many times, as kudoz did not allow me to post these words in the same post.
janejira
Local time: 05:13
name of a class year
Explanation:
it's the name of a class year, probably 3 rd year here in this list


see here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clongowes_Wood_College

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Each year is known by a name, drawn from the Jesuit Ratio Studiorum: Elements (First year), Rudiments (Second year), Grammar (Third year), Syntax (Fourth year), Poetry (Fifth year), and Rhetoric (Sixth year).[6]


oviously here there are 7 years rather than 6 as they have added "figures" to the list

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another Jesuit school with year plans for the 1st 3 years

http://www.belvederecollege.ie/teaching-learning/sphe

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Note added at 18 mins (2017-06-03 17:24:17 GMT)
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should have said in last link that that only shows how ONE subject (SPHE) is treated in the first 3 years

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Note added at 25 mins (2017-06-03 17:31:13 GMT)
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so it's a Jesuit thing it seems. Here's another couuntry
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/St._Louis_School,_Claremont,_West...

Until the mid-1960s, the year grades were named after levels in the traditional Jesuit curriculum: Elements, Rudiments, Grammar (I and II)3rd reverse this order, Syntax (I and II)reverse this order, Poetry and Rhetoric.

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Note added at 44 mins (2017-06-03 17:50:20 GMT)
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this is from page 11 of the Belvedere handbook ( a school still very popular and which retains these names)
www.belvederecollege.ie/files/FINAL_HANDBOOK_2016.pdf

YEAR AND CLASS NAMES
The primary aim of Jesuit education is to create the vir eloquens – literally eloquent man who is able
to think and speak for himself. Thus the classes in a Jesuit College are named after the stages in the
learning of a classical language, e.g. Latin. Following the tradition of Jesuit educational institutions
around the world, each year group is assigned a name based on the Renaissance Jesuit tradition.
1st Year – Elements, the basics of the language
2nd Year – Rudiments, enhancing the basics
3rd Year – Grammar, the grammar of the language
4th Year – Syntax, the word order of the language
5th Year – Poetry, the literature of the language
6th Year – Rhetoric, public speaking
There are six classes in each year and each is given individual names: Loyola (St Ignatius Loyola,
founder of the Jesuits), Aylmer, (Fr Charles Aylmer SJ, founder & first Rector of Belvedere College SJ)
Xavier (St Francis Xavier, co-founder of the Society of Jesus and patron of Belvedere College SJ).Kenney (Fr
Peter Kenney SJ, superior of the restored Jesuits in Ireland & provincial when Belvedere was founded),
Finlay (Fr Thomas Finlay SJ, a prolific writer and second Rector of Belvedere College SJ, and Scully
(Fr Thomas Scully SJ, teacher of Physics at Belvedere College SJ with a long association with SVP. The
Scully Science medal is awarded every year in his name)
Each class group retains its name, so a boy in first year, Elements Scully (ES), will graduate in sixth
year in Rhetoric Scully (RS).
FORM TUTOR
Each class is led by a Form Tutor, thus there are 36 in the Colleg






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Mount St Mary's, another Jesuit school, this one in the UK , has 7 years. This is page 9 of their pdf handbook:
msmcollege.com/download/101

MOUNT TERMINOLOGY
There are a number of terms or words that are used at the College that reflect the history and heritage we cherish. The following is a very brief guide to some of the most common names and phrases you may come across:
Our Year Groups
Upper Elements 11-12 year olds (Year 7)
Figures 12-13 year olds (Year 8)
Rudiments 13-14 year olds (Year 9)
Grammar 14-15 year olds (Year 10)
Syntax 15-16 year olds (Year 11)
Poetry 16-17 year olds (Year 12 – Lower Sixth)
Rhetoric 17-18 year olds (Year 13 – Upper Sixth)
...
THE STRUCTURE OF THE COLLEGE
The College is divided into three sections, the Lower School, the Middle School and Higher Line. The
year groups at Mount St Mary’s are known as lines.
Lower School Upper Elements Year 7
Figures Year 8
Rudiments Year 9
Middle School Grammar Year 10
Syntax Year 11
Higher Line Poetry Year 12
(VIth Form) Rhetoric Year 13
These names have their origin in the earliest days of Jesuit education in the sixteenth century when
the Jesuit founder, Ignatius of Loyola, adopted a system of education common in the universities of
Europe at the time. These names may seem old fashioned to us today, but they do serve to remind us of the long-standing Jesuit tradition of education of which we are proud to be a part.

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Note added at 3 days35 mins (2017-06-06 17:41:15 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to have helped
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Local time: 23:13
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Thank you ssooo much. You are so brilliant and kind
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name of a class year


Explanation:
it's the name of a class year, probably 3 rd year here in this list


see here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clongowes_Wood_College

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 11 mins (2017-06-03 17:17:23 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Each year is known by a name, drawn from the Jesuit Ratio Studiorum: Elements (First year), Rudiments (Second year), Grammar (Third year), Syntax (Fourth year), Poetry (Fifth year), and Rhetoric (Sixth year).[6]


oviously here there are 7 years rather than 6 as they have added "figures" to the list

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 16 mins (2017-06-03 17:22:15 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

another Jesuit school with year plans for the 1st 3 years

http://www.belvederecollege.ie/teaching-learning/sphe

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 18 mins (2017-06-03 17:24:17 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

should have said in last link that that only shows how ONE subject (SPHE) is treated in the first 3 years

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 25 mins (2017-06-03 17:31:13 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

so it's a Jesuit thing it seems. Here's another couuntry
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/St._Louis_School,_Claremont,_West...

Until the mid-1960s, the year grades were named after levels in the traditional Jesuit curriculum: Elements, Rudiments, Grammar (I and II)3rd reverse this order, Syntax (I and II)reverse this order, Poetry and Rhetoric.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 44 mins (2017-06-03 17:50:20 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

this is from page 11 of the Belvedere handbook ( a school still very popular and which retains these names)
www.belvederecollege.ie/files/FINAL_HANDBOOK_2016.pdf

YEAR AND CLASS NAMES
The primary aim of Jesuit education is to create the vir eloquens – literally eloquent man who is able
to think and speak for himself. Thus the classes in a Jesuit College are named after the stages in the
learning of a classical language, e.g. Latin. Following the tradition of Jesuit educational institutions
around the world, each year group is assigned a name based on the Renaissance Jesuit tradition.
1st Year – Elements, the basics of the language
2nd Year – Rudiments, enhancing the basics
3rd Year – Grammar, the grammar of the language
4th Year – Syntax, the word order of the language
5th Year – Poetry, the literature of the language
6th Year – Rhetoric, public speaking
There are six classes in each year and each is given individual names: Loyola (St Ignatius Loyola,
founder of the Jesuits), Aylmer, (Fr Charles Aylmer SJ, founder & first Rector of Belvedere College SJ)
Xavier (St Francis Xavier, co-founder of the Society of Jesus and patron of Belvedere College SJ).Kenney (Fr
Peter Kenney SJ, superior of the restored Jesuits in Ireland & provincial when Belvedere was founded),
Finlay (Fr Thomas Finlay SJ, a prolific writer and second Rector of Belvedere College SJ, and Scully
(Fr Thomas Scully SJ, teacher of Physics at Belvedere College SJ with a long association with SVP. The
Scully Science medal is awarded every year in his name)
Each class group retains its name, so a boy in first year, Elements Scully (ES), will graduate in sixth
year in Rhetoric Scully (RS).
FORM TUTOR
Each class is led by a Form Tutor, thus there are 36 in the Colleg






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Note added at 15 hrs (2017-06-04 08:19:11 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Mount St Mary's, another Jesuit school, this one in the UK , has 7 years. This is page 9 of their pdf handbook:
msmcollege.com/download/101

MOUNT TERMINOLOGY
There are a number of terms or words that are used at the College that reflect the history and heritage we cherish. The following is a very brief guide to some of the most common names and phrases you may come across:
Our Year Groups
Upper Elements 11-12 year olds (Year 7)
Figures 12-13 year olds (Year 8)
Rudiments 13-14 year olds (Year 9)
Grammar 14-15 year olds (Year 10)
Syntax 15-16 year olds (Year 11)
Poetry 16-17 year olds (Year 12 – Lower Sixth)
Rhetoric 17-18 year olds (Year 13 – Upper Sixth)
...
THE STRUCTURE OF THE COLLEGE
The College is divided into three sections, the Lower School, the Middle School and Higher Line. The
year groups at Mount St Mary’s are known as lines.
Lower School Upper Elements Year 7
Figures Year 8
Rudiments Year 9
Middle School Grammar Year 10
Syntax Year 11
Higher Line Poetry Year 12
(VIth Form) Rhetoric Year 13
These names have their origin in the earliest days of Jesuit education in the sixteenth century when
the Jesuit founder, Ignatius of Loyola, adopted a system of education common in the universities of
Europe at the time. These names may seem old fashioned to us today, but they do serve to remind us of the long-standing Jesuit tradition of education of which we are proud to be a part.

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Note added at 3 days35 mins (2017-06-06 17:41:15 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to have helped

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 23:13
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Thank you ssooo much. You are so brilliant and kind

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  B D Finch
30 mins
  -> Thanks:-) I just added some more info

agree  Teresa Reinhardt: Id you translate the years' names at all, I'd stay with the Latinate word "Rudimente". A quick look at German schools shows that they use "Jahrgangsstufe" a lot. Sic transit gloria ordinis/scholae.
1 hr
  -> Thanks! I'd be inclined not to translate at all since they are names. Not sure what Asker is translating to? But Latin might work in brackets? Depends on audience really

agree  Yasutomo Kanazawa
11 hrs
  -> Thanks:-)
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