Mar 23, 2015 09:22
9 yrs ago
French term
Innommés parce qu’innommables
French to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
This text is actually about class passing, and in this part it compares the phenomenon to homosexuality:
***Innommés parce qu’innommables***, à l’instar des homosexuels stigmatisés par des épithètes infamantes. L’indicible homosexualité se dit ainsi le plus souvent sous la forme de l’insulte : « pédé », « tante », « tantouze », gouine, etc., mais aussi sous la forme d’une dénégation et d’une occultation par déplacement de la pratique elle-même sur un lieu ou sur une personne : la lesbienne qui vient de l’île de Lesbos ou le saphisme qui naît de la poétesse Sapho.
***Innommés parce qu’innommables***, à l’instar des homosexuels stigmatisés par des épithètes infamantes. L’indicible homosexualité se dit ainsi le plus souvent sous la forme de l’insulte : « pédé », « tante », « tantouze », gouine, etc., mais aussi sous la forme d’une dénégation et d’une occultation par déplacement de la pratique elle-même sur un lieu ou sur une personne : la lesbienne qui vient de l’île de Lesbos ou le saphisme qui naît de la poétesse Sapho.
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Class passing | philgoddard |
Proposed translations
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unnamed for lack of a decent name
my suggestion
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Unmentioned, because they dare not speak their name/their name dare not be spoken
Not sure if this is the most elegant way of putting it, but it's clearly a reference to 'the love that dare not speak its name' as Melissa pointed out.
We'd need more of the context to find a way of weaving it in more seamlessly!
We'd need more of the context to find a way of weaving it in more seamlessly!
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philgoddard
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B D Finch
: Unmentioned, for they dared not speak their name?
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Unnamed, because unnamable
Don't see anything wrong with a literal translation.
". as Vladimir Soloviev, who took his cue from the kabbalah, called tt, Ain-Sof, the Utterly Transcendent, the Unnamed because Unnamable..."
"Male homosexuality meets all these criteria. Ultimately the man who cannot confess the unnamed and unnamable sin is the Pardoner himself."
the pardoner's homosexuality - http://is.gd/UsMJ7c
". as Vladimir Soloviev, who took his cue from the kabbalah, called tt, Ain-Sof, the Utterly Transcendent, the Unnamed because Unnamable..."
"Male homosexuality meets all these criteria. Ultimately the man who cannot confess the unnamed and unnamable sin is the Pardoner himself."
the pardoner's homosexuality - http://is.gd/UsMJ7c
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Francis Marche
: "l'innommable" in French is "the unspeakable" in English, not "unnamable". A lot of things wrong with your literal translation.
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unnamed/unspoken because unspeakable
see discussion
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Note added at 21 hrs (2015-03-24 06:39:16 GMT)
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"innommable : un tas d'ordures innommable, a disgusting, an unspeakable heap of rubbish; conduite innommable, unspeakable behaviour"
from Harrap's New Standard French and English Dictionary
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Note added at 21 hrs (2015-03-24 06:39:16 GMT)
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"innommable : un tas d'ordures innommable, a disgusting, an unspeakable heap of rubbish; conduite innommable, unspeakable behaviour"
from Harrap's New Standard French and English Dictionary
Reference comments
39 mins
Reference:
Class passing
I didn't know what this means, so I looked it up.
Discussion
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/innommable
from ATILF