bénéfice d'ordre, de discussion et de division

English translation: thus expressly accepting personal liability exhaustively, primarily and non-divisibly

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French term or phrase:	bénéfice d\'ordre, de discussion et de division
English translation:	thus expressly accepting personal liability exhaustively, primarily and non-divisibly
Entered by:	suewiddicombe

08:05 Jun 24, 2014

French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Contract(s) / Vehicle lease agreement

French term or phrase: bénéfice d'ordre, de discussion et de division

Hi, I have never come across this phrase before and am not sure what it means let alone how to translate it. Any suggestions? Many thanks

"AAA se porte caution solidaire, conformément aux dispositions de l’article 2288 et suivants du Code civil, du paiement de toutes sommes qui peuvent ou pourront être dues par BBB à CCC, en principal, intérêts, frais et accessoires de toute nature, échus ou à échoir, au titre d’un ou de plusieurs Contrats de Location de Véhicule, AAA renonçant ainsi expressément aux ***bénéfices d’ordre, de discussion et de division***".

"AAA se portera également caution solidaire envers CCC du respect en temps utile par la société BBB de toutes ses obligations, découlant de (...), renonçant ainsi expressément aux ***bénéfices d’ordre, de discussion et de division***."

suewiddicombe KudoZ activity Questions: 166 (6 open) (2 without valid answers) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 0 United Kingdom
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thus expressly accepting personal liability exhaustively, primarily and non-divisibly

Explanation:
It's the whole phrase with waiver that UK law firms usually turn rodund to make sense in EN, plus there are about 6 related entries in the KudoZ glossaries.

Waiving pleas of order (first exhausting remedies against the principal debotr before resorting to the guarantor), discussion/excussion and division may be on a hiding to nothing.

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Well, as intimated, the phrase or permutaions and combinations thereof haven't been used at the law firm or chambers of Rufinus (gulp!), but has well served City of London and EU solicitors' firms, barristers' and judges chambers as well as probate and land registries etc. for the last 40 years during which NO puzzlement of lay or legal clients cf. constant complaints, ridicule and derision of renderings like 'expressly renouncing the benefits of order, discussion,/excussio and division'

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Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 21:53

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Thanks, Tom, hope you're right! Rufinus - did not find in glossary or would not have asked question but if you disagree, perhaps you could say why?
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thus expressly accepting personal liability exhaustively, primarily and non-divisibly

Adrian MM. (X)

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hence waiving any order, contestation or division rights

Mario Freitas

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writeaway

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2 days 18 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

hence waiving any order, contestation or division rights

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Mario Freitas
Brazil
Local time: 16:53
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7 hrs confidence:

renonçant ainsi expressément aux bénéfices d'ordre, de discussion et de division

thus expressly accepting personal liability exhaustively, primarily and non-divisibly

Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 21:53
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Grading comment

Thanks, Tom, hope you're right! Rufinus - did not find in glossary or would not have asked question but if you disagree, perhaps you could say why?

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Daryo

4 days

-> Hvala et merci!

disagree

Attorney DC Bar: Not even close. Isn't this already in the glossary somewhere? This must have come up before.

4 days

-> 1. Not even close: wrong, used by City of London & Pan-European Magic Circle law firms: obviously not at your one. 2. Isn't this already in the glossary omewhere? not the complete phrase 3. come up before - doesn' t mean the (muddled) answers were right

neutral

writeaway: for starters, renoncer is to waive......../ah yes, Chomsky, the famous legal expert......... LSATs or not, renoncer still means to waive

4 days

-> this is called lateral thinking or thinking out of the box, as in the US LSAT = Law School Admission Test, namely looking at the deep-structure MIT Prof. Noam Chomsky meaning. Waiving the benefit of those pleas means *accepting* the downside of liability.

Reference comments

14 mins peer agreement (net): +2

Reference: www

Reference information:
http://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/discuter.ph...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garantie_autonome

http://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?query=b�n�fice d...

3. Bénéfice de discussion. DR. ROMAIN et DR. CIVIL. Droit dont dispose la caution (non solidaire), le cédant d'une créance ou le tiers détenteur d'un immeuble hypothéqué de faire surseoir aux poursuites en exigeant du créancier qu'il discute en premier lieu la vente des biens du débiteur principal (attesté dans la plupart des dict. gén. du xixeet du xxes.).

4. Bénéfice de division. Droit accordé aux cautions non solidaires d'une dette d'exiger que le créancier divise ses poursuites et les limite à la part de chacune dans la dette (cf. Code civil, 1804, p. 216).
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/bénéfice

etc

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http://www.conseil-droitcivil.com/article-droit-civil-1086-P...

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do;jsessionid=F109C...

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