Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

declaración referencial

English translation:

witness' statement

Added to glossary by Hinara
May 26, 2011 18:02
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Spanish term

declaración referencial

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s) adoption documents from Peru
text taken from adoption documents from Peru:

"...se procedió a recepcionar la declaración de la adolescente, ello en la diligencia de audiencia única cuya acta obra de fojas 60-61, así como en la Audiencia Especial de Declaración Referencial.
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Jun 1, 2011 04:46: Hinara changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/8444">Hinara's</a> old entry - "declaración referencial "" to ""witness\' statement ""

Discussion

Richard Hill May 27, 2011:
interesting possibilities but... although I'm just reiterating, it seems pretty clear from the asker's text, "recepcionar la declaración de la adolescente… en la Audiencia Especial de Declaración Referencial", that its simply "receive the statement of the adolescent/minor(?) … at the Special Hearing for the Introduction of the Witeness' Statement (made before whoever)", being a special hearing because if the witness were of legal age, the evidence would be heard at the regular hearing.
AllegroTrans May 27, 2011:
Plenty of ghits for Declaración Referencial e.g.
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Portal jurídico donde podrá consultar a texto completo convenios colectivos, ... válidamente mediante la declaración referencial de los agentes policiales que las presenciaron. ...
lexnova.es/asp/pprincipal/secundaria/index.asp?pagina=/... - 98k
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La declaración autoincriminatoria en sede policial no basta como ... En primer lugar, porque se trata de una declaración referencial cuando se dispone del testigo directo; y en ...
www.difusionjuridica.es/portal/articulo.php?id_art=4932
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MEDIOS DE PRUEBA Y VALORACIÓN EN VIOLENCIA DE GÉNERO
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policía pueden ser introducidas válidamente mediante la declaración referencial ... En primer lugar, porque se trata de una declaración referencial ...
www.reicaz.es/sam/medios de prueba.pdf
AllegroTrans May 27, 2011:
re feedback Bearing in mind we know now that this is an international adoption, Referencial could be about a referral from the court of one country to that of the other. Pure speculation again because I don't know for sure what it means.
Hinara (asker) May 27, 2011:
feedback Allegro that is a good point--character reference--that is a possibility.

Rich
The adoption is not being contested but it is significant because the child being adopted is still in Peru while the adopter is now in the US. I've read through all 22 pages and there is no indication that the police is involved. As you indicated they are indeed two distinct hearings.

I'll need to give this doc a fresh look---it is very convoluted throughout and it makes references to other docs to which I have no access.

Thank you both for your help. It helps to hear different ideas.
Richard Hill May 26, 2011:
Yes I agree. that's probably the case.
Richard Hill May 26, 2011:
sorry my discussion posting "to clarify" responds to Sandro Tomasi, not AllegroTrans Sorry!
Richard Hill May 26, 2011:
character reference clearly not a character reference, as they are talking about receiving the statement from the adolescent at two distinct hearings
Richard Hill May 26, 2011:
to clarify granted, the statement is not made before police officers in the example provided by AllegroTrans, and he's right, it may not may been made before the police in the case at hand. The asker may know before whom the statement was made. But my point is to give the asker an idea of what a "declaración referencial" is regardless of before whom the statement was made. so if more clarity is needed, I would translate "Audiencia Especial de declaración referencial" as "Special Hearing for the Introduction of a Witness' Statement made Before…" leaving the asker to decide before whom.
AllegroTrans May 26, 2011:
and maybe " referencial" means that a party is giving a character reference for the prospective adoptive parents...just my speculation
AllegroTrans May 26, 2011:
@ Rich Suggestion seems basically sound, but I imagine this to be a Court hearing by the Judge deciding on adoption, and NOT before Police Officers. Here in UK, for example, Judges in adoption proceedings like to hear "live" evidence from parties such as social workers and adoption placement agencies. Maybe in asker's case, this is a contested adoption, hence "special" hearing, or maybe there is an international dimension.
Hinara (asker) May 26, 2011:
question not editable Thanks Allegro. The editing feature does not allow for correction of the term...
AllegroTrans May 26, 2011:
wrongly parsed term is "Audiencia Especial de Declaración Referencial"

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witeness' statement made before police officers

long-winded I know, but as far as I can gather, its a hearing on a witness' statement made before the police, as opposed to the witness directly providing testimony before the court (probably, in this case, because the adolescent in question is a minor). Someone else might have a shorter term?
so the full translation of "Audiencia Especial de Declaración Referencial" could be "Special Hearing for the Introduction of Witness' Statement made Before Police Officers
Example sentence:

En estos casos excepcionales las declaraciones testificales prestadas ante la policía pueden ser introducidas válidamente mediante la declaración referencial de los agentes policiales que las presenciaron, quedando sometidas entonces a las reglas de va

Note from asker:
Thank you, Rich. I'll will probably go with this.
Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : could this be a committal hearing, or hearing before the examining magistrate to consider whether accused is sent for trial?// yes, of course, it makes sense now, adoption hearings are handled sensitively, here in UK Judges like to hear live evidence
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don't think that works here. the asker mentions adoption papers and an adolescent (minor?) and I think the example and link I provided are pretty clear on what a "Declaración Referencial" is, my doubt is as to whether there is a shorter equivalent term
neutral Sandro Tomasi : It is not "made before police officers." http://judicatura.crearblog.com/?p=21
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