meaning of the future perfect tense

English translation: uses

17:35 May 2, 2011
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English term or phrase: meaning of the future perfect tense
Hello everyone,

LGBT offenders are more likely to suffer from STDs, including HIV/AIDS, problems associated with drug abuse and other health conditions, since often they will have been forced into a lifestyle that includes risk behaviors because of prejudices relating to their sexual orientation or gender identity.

Do I understand correctly that the future perfect tense is used to indicate probability in the present?

In other words, does "they will have been forced into a lifestyle" means "probably they have been forced"?

Thank you.
Mikhail Korolev
Local time: 06:42
Selected answer:uses
Explanation:
There are two uses of the future present.

To say what will have been achieved or completed by a certain time in the future: "Ring me tomorrow evening. I'll have the test results by then" = I don't have the results now. I will receive them sometime tomorrow.

To "predict the present" - a present that we can't be 100% sure of but we can be reasonably sure of: "It's no use phoning - he'll have left by now" = I don't know for sure but I have some reason to believe this is true.

It's the second case you have here so you are right that there is an element of probability - the writer does not personally know the people he is referring to but he does have experience in this field.

However, it would be wrong to say that this element of probability always exists in the future present tense - except that none of us can be sure about the future!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-02 19:38:55 GMT)
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I took the second example and all the explanation from Michael Swan's "Practical English Usage", the EFL teacher's bible.
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Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 04:42
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Many thanks to everyone.
Thank you, Sheila.
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4 +3often they will have been forced into a lifestyle
Martin Riordan
4 +3uses
Sheila Wilson


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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
often they will have been forced into a lifestyle


Explanation:
Yes, your interpretation is correct. The author is reflecting that, in many cases, offenders were probably forced into the lifestyle he describes. I think you could describe it better as probability in the past, rather than the present.

Martin Riordan
Brazil
Local time: 00:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  axies
13 hrs
  -> Obrigado!

agree  Tina Vonhof (X): Combined with 'often' it means that the probability is high.
21 hrs
  -> Thank you! That´s what I felt too: "in most cases..."

agree  Amanda Jane Lowles
3 days 39 mins
  -> Thank you!
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46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
uses


Explanation:
There are two uses of the future present.

To say what will have been achieved or completed by a certain time in the future: "Ring me tomorrow evening. I'll have the test results by then" = I don't have the results now. I will receive them sometime tomorrow.

To "predict the present" - a present that we can't be 100% sure of but we can be reasonably sure of: "It's no use phoning - he'll have left by now" = I don't know for sure but I have some reason to believe this is true.

It's the second case you have here so you are right that there is an element of probability - the writer does not personally know the people he is referring to but he does have experience in this field.

However, it would be wrong to say that this element of probability always exists in the future present tense - except that none of us can be sure about the future!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-02 19:38:55 GMT)
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I took the second example and all the explanation from Michael Swan's "Practical English Usage", the EFL teacher's bible.

Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 04:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 31
Grading comment
Many thanks to everyone.
Thank you, Sheila.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Knowles: They all have an element of uncertainty. "He must have been very upset when his daughter died" = "he was probably very upset when his daughter died" (but I don't know for certain because he hasn't told me.)
2 hrs
  -> Thanks. Whether you're predicting the present or the future, there is bound to be some uncertainty.

agree  Shera Lyn Parpia
11 hrs
  -> Thanks

agree  Thuy-PTT (X)
2 days 13 hrs
  -> Thanks
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