Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

TSR-Kloni

English translation:

triceps reflex cloni

Added to glossary by Blaess
Oct 23, 2009 16:25
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German term

TSR-Kloni

German to English Medical Medical (general) neurology
Listed under the heading "Extrapyramidale Stoerungen" -

TSR-Kloni beidseits.
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Oct 23, 2009 16:30: Steffen Walter changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Oct 23, 2009 16:30: Steffen Walter changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Oct 29, 2009 15:18: Blaess Created KOG entry

Discussion

Blaess Oct 25, 2009:
why don´t you go for the more recent ones (this will be my last contribution on this one - since it seems it is no longer about answering the question but arguing)
SJLD Oct 25, 2009:
I live in the 21st century - I don't speak 19th century medical English.
I assure you as a native English speaking physician that "cloni" is NOT idiomatic. Please don't waste your time. I will not be convinced otherwise.
Blaess Oct 25, 2009:
@SJLD part 2 "... occasionally spasm occurs in violent paroxysms, first tonic, and then clonic, excited by alight peripheral im- pressions, and in some cases apparently spontaneous — the " spinal epilepsy of Brown-Sequard, The resemblance to an epileptic paroxysm, however, is not close, and the quick clonic spasm depends on precisely the same conditions as the foot-clonus. The peripheral impression excites violent tonio Bpasm ; as this is passing off, the tension on the imper- fectly relaxed muscle is sufficient to develope clonic contrac- tions, just as does the passive tension in the ordinary method of obtaining the foot-cloni..."
W.K. Gowees in: The diagnosis of diseases of the spinal cord. 3rd ed. J&A Churchill, London (1834)

"There can also be a series of rhythmic contractions (cloni) in both limbs. ...
Post-reflex clonus
... This is simply the repeated occurence of a normal reflex response even when only one stimulus has been administered."
J.J. van Nes in: Medical History and Physical Examination in Companion Animals. Eds. A. Rijnberk, H.W. de Vries, Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1995

Summary: Evidence makes it clear that "cloni" is and has been a common term in the scientific
Blaess Oct 25, 2009:
@SJDL part I just in case you´re interested some natives and some other non-German speakers:

"Within 12 hours of life, tremors and bilateral ankle cloni were noted."
M.E. Daerdorff et al. Mol Genet Metab. 2008 August; 94(4): 498–502.

"... extensor plantar reflex and ankle cloni ..."
E.D. McGahren, W.G. Wilson in: Pediatrics - Recall. 3rd ed. 2008 Lippincot Williams & Wilkins

"Ankle cloni were present but not sustained."
D.A. Arneson et al.: Strychnine therapy in nonketotic hyperglycinemia. Pediatrics 63, 369-373 (1979)

"... draws attention to the development of ankle-clonus and other cloni in subjects who are affected with muscular hypertonicity."
D.W. Buxton. A note on ankle-clonus, with special reference as to its production under nitrous oxide gas. Br Med J 1887;2:669-674

"... and the knee-jerks continued excessive and ankle-cloni well-marked."
JS Bristowe. Br Med J 1888;1:1369-1372
SJLD Oct 24, 2009:
I don't need to check Pubmed to know how native English speaking doctors talk.
PubMed abstracts are probably the least reliable reference for translation purposes you will find (after the Kudoz glossary?). There is no linguistic or professional verification. If you know anything about the publishing world, you will be aware that competent copy-editors and proof-readers are an almost extinct species.
Blaess Oct 24, 2009:
@SJDL first of all it might indeed be a specialty of German speaking scientists to use some Latin to beef things up - or just to impose;) - No matter here - the author is obviously of G. origin.

secondly, why don´t you just check pubmed yourself - for the moment I am quite in a rush.

finally, all these journals and publishers have NATIVE-English speaking lectors;)
SJLD Oct 23, 2009:
yes I would like to see references written by native English speakers and not Germans or Swiss :-)

Proposed translations

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triceps reflex cloni

Clonus (from the Greek for "violent, confused motion") is a series of involuntary muscular contractions due to sudden stretching of the muscle. Clonus is a sign of certain neurological conditions, and is particularly associated with upper motor neuron lesions such as in stroke, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord damage and hepatic encephalopathy. Unlike the small, spontaneous twitching known as fasciculations (usually caused by lower motor neuron pathology), clonus causes large motions that are usually initiated by a reflex.

Clonus is most common in the ankles, where it is tested by rapidly flexing the foot upward (dorsiflexion). It can also be tested in the knees by rapidly pushing the patella towards the toes. Only sustained clonus (5 beats or more) is considered abnormal.
Clonus appearing after ingesting potent serotonergic drugs strongly predicts imminent serotonin toxicity (serotonin syndrome).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonus

info DE
http://books.google.de/books?id=iudj5uu21Z0C&pg=PA627&lpg=PA...




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Note added at 16 mins (2009-10-23 16:41:28 GMT)
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clonus (sg), cloni (pl)

By the way - it would be nice you could close previous questions of your´s (e.g. http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/medical_general/... either just-close or award the points - otherwise one might get the feeling that you do not care for the answers and discussions - which hopefully is not the case;)
Best wishes
Peer comment(s):

agree Rolf Keiser
41 mins
Danke!
neutral SJLD : you never actually see the plural used in medical English/explain to me then , if clonus = series of involuntary muscular contractions, what are cloni?
42 mins
you do - see above
agree robin25
17 hrs
Danke!
neutral liz askew : never come across this in my 10 + years of medical translating into English.//They are not native English medical references.
21 hrs
well, take a look at the references provided - and learn something new every day;)
agree Ingrid Moore
1 day 1 hr
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you!"
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clonic triceps reflex (or elbow reflex)

TSR - Trizepssehnenreflex
Note from asker:
Thanks very much!
Peer comment(s):

agree SJLD : or you could write "triceps reflex: clonus"
34 mins
Right. Thanks, SJLD.
agree liz askew
50 mins
Thanks, Liz.
agree Susanne Schiewe
1 day 1 hr
Thanks, Susanne!
agree Ingrid Moore
1 day 1 hr
Thanks, Ingrid!
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Reference comments

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Reference:

see
3.5 Neurologie

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:W03FM9EfKDUJ:www.bi...

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Note added at 30 mins (2009-10-23 16:55:45 GMT)
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TSR = Trizeps-R

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Note added at 22 hrs (2009-10-24 14:38:45 GMT)
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Office practice of neurology - Google Books Result
by Martin A. Samuels, Steven K. Feske - 2003 - Medical - 1517 pages
In extreme hyperreflexia, the reflex is repetitive or clonic. ... Thus, biceps, triceps, and brachioradialis reflexes are recorded in the upper limb, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0443065578...
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