population active v. population active engagée

English translation: total active population / economically active population

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French term or phrase:population active v. population active engagée
English translation:total active population / economically active population
Entered by: Victoria Porter-Burns

08:14 Oct 22, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: population active v. population active engagée
Can any one explain to me what the difference is between "population active" and "population active engagée" is please? I always thought of "population active" as being the working population, and that they would necessarily be "engagée", but from the document I'm currently translating it is becoming clear that the "population active" may be people who could work, are of working age, etc. but who do not, whereas the "population active engagée" are those who actually do work, something like that. But how would we express this in natural-sounding UK English?

Any suggestions much appreciated,

Many TIA

Vicky
Victoria Porter-Burns
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:30
total active population / economically active population
Explanation:
http://www.ess.gov.si/eng/AnnaulReport/lp01/epogl3.htm

At the end of 2001 Slovenia's total active population numbered 886,378 people, of whom 782,062 were economically active. On average the active population numbered 880,897, of whom 779,041 were economically active. In comparison with December 2000 the active population grew by 1.5%; at 1.8% the increase in the number of economically active people was higher than the increase in the overall active population. In comparison with 2000 the average number of economically active people grew by 0.7% in 2001, while the increase in the number of economically active people was double that number, i.e. 1.4%. During the year the number of economically active people either grew or remained the same for the first ten months of the year, and then fell in November and December.

See also (for definitions):
http://laborsta.ilo.org/applv8/data/c1e.html
The data presented in Chapter 1, Tables 1A and 1B of the Yearbook on the total and economically active population, have generally been drawn from the latest Population Census, indicated by the code (A) or Labour force sample survey, indicated by the code (BA),
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Vicky James
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:30
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Many thanks to all who contributed.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +1labour force
PRen (X)
4total active population / economically active population
Vicky James
3working population in general v. working population in employment
Caroline Vignard (X)
3 -1working-age population vs. economically-active population
Sheila Wilson


  

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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
working population in general v. working population in employment


Explanation:
This is just a suggestion - but the idea is that perhaps you need to spell it out in English...

Caroline Vignard (X)
France
Local time: 09:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  rkillings: "working" includes willing to work but without a job?
14 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
labour force


Explanation:
In Canada, the term is labour force. I checked on a UK gov't site and they appear to use the same term - perhaps looking here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/ssd/surveys/labour_force_survey...
will give you an answer as to the meaning of "engagée" (I'm stumped!)

PRen (X)
Canada
Local time: 04:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  rkillings: Standard term in the English-speaking world. Total labour force - employed labour force = the unemployed. "Discouraged workers" don't count: they're drop-outs from the labour force.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
total active population / economically active population


Explanation:
http://www.ess.gov.si/eng/AnnaulReport/lp01/epogl3.htm

At the end of 2001 Slovenia's total active population numbered 886,378 people, of whom 782,062 were economically active. On average the active population numbered 880,897, of whom 779,041 were economically active. In comparison with December 2000 the active population grew by 1.5%; at 1.8% the increase in the number of economically active people was higher than the increase in the overall active population. In comparison with 2000 the average number of economically active people grew by 0.7% in 2001, while the increase in the number of economically active people was double that number, i.e. 1.4%. During the year the number of economically active people either grew or remained the same for the first ten months of the year, and then fell in November and December.

See also (for definitions):
http://laborsta.ilo.org/applv8/data/c1e.html
The data presented in Chapter 1, Tables 1A and 1B of the Yearbook on the total and economically active population, have generally been drawn from the latest Population Census, indicated by the code (A) or Labour force sample survey, indicated by the code (BA),

Vicky James
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Many thanks to all who contributed.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Hi Vicky. Many thanks for your suggestions. As I said in my comment to Sheila, be, I definitely think 'economically-active population' fits for that part (I've just noticed that you suggested it before Sheila did) and I've since found many documents which, like your refs, juxtapose 'total active population' with 'economically-active population'. Thanks again!

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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
working-age population vs. economically-active population


Explanation:
I agree entirely with your suggestion, Victoria. Cobbling ideas together from the three glossaries below, I think this is probably the neatest way of expressing it accurately.

http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:Z24-I3JZ9eIJ:www.cabinet...
http://www.almanar.jo/AlManarWeb/Default.aspx?tabid=103
http://hdr.undp.org/en/humandev/glossary/

Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 08:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 46
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Sheila! I've taken rkillings comment into account but I think I'll definitely go with "economically-active population" for that part. Many thanks!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  rkillings: It isn't enough to be of working age. To be "active", a person has to be seeking work. The idle rich don't count.
8 hrs
  -> There seem to be so many conflicting definitions of all these terms, my head's spinning!
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