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French term or phrase:
temps significative
English translation:
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French term
temps significative
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Engineering (general)
preventive maintenance - water
Really, it's the whole sentence I need to be sure of. This is taken from a document describing conditional preventive maintenance of a drinking water production plant. Currently, I am not sure I am understanding this sentence correctly. I think it's saying that, rather than the absolute value of the parameter as measured, they are more interested in how a parameter evolves over time during the crucial time in which the damage (to the equipment) occurs....? But I am not convinced that I am right... can anyone help? I would be most grateful for expert input! Thanks in advance...
Plus que la valeur absolue de la mesure d'un paramètre, on s'intéresse à son évolution dans le temps significative de l'évolution d'une dégradation.
Plus que la valeur absolue de la mesure d'un paramètre, on s'intéresse à son évolution dans le temps significative de l'évolution d'une dégradation.
Proposed translations
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4 +2 | comment | Bourth (X) |
4 +2 | missing a comma - see explanantion | Terry Richards |
4 -1 | significant time | B D Finch |
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comment
1) Anything that evolves NECESSARILY evolves over time, so the French is largely redundant.
2) Unless we assume an error in the French, "significatiVE" NECESSARILY refers to "évolution".
3) Break it down this way :
on s'intéresse à son (évolution dans le temps) significative de (l'évolution d'une dégradation).
4) A machine is "evolving" (over time) at ALL times. Only part of that gradual "evolution" will necessarily be related to the "evolution of damage", e.g. temperature or oil pressure will rise or fall, parts will gradually wear more and more, but only when certain conditions are united can it be said their "evolution" contributes to - or corresponds to - the "evolution of the failure".
5) "Significative" here, while qualifying "évolution", does not mean "significant = important" but has that other meaning of "signifier = what it signifies".
Thus, while oil pressure and temp., say, might "evolve" while an engine is running under varying conditions, they will not be of relevance/significance to any failure. When, for whatever reason, they get to the point where the engine starts performing poorly, potentially inducing failure, that is the "evolution (over time)" they are concerned with, e.g. the speed at which oil temperature rises and oil temperature drops, rather than merely the max temp and min pressure.
"What is important is not so much the absolute value of a given parameter, but rather (that part of) the (gradual - if you feel "dans le temps" is necessary) evolution/development of that parameter which (evolution) is directly related to the evolution/development of the damage."
2) Unless we assume an error in the French, "significatiVE" NECESSARILY refers to "évolution".
3) Break it down this way :
on s'intéresse à son (évolution dans le temps) significative de (l'évolution d'une dégradation).
4) A machine is "evolving" (over time) at ALL times. Only part of that gradual "evolution" will necessarily be related to the "evolution of damage", e.g. temperature or oil pressure will rise or fall, parts will gradually wear more and more, but only when certain conditions are united can it be said their "evolution" contributes to - or corresponds to - the "evolution of the failure".
5) "Significative" here, while qualifying "évolution", does not mean "significant = important" but has that other meaning of "signifier = what it signifies".
Thus, while oil pressure and temp., say, might "evolve" while an engine is running under varying conditions, they will not be of relevance/significance to any failure. When, for whatever reason, they get to the point where the engine starts performing poorly, potentially inducing failure, that is the "evolution (over time)" they are concerned with, e.g. the speed at which oil temperature rises and oil temperature drops, rather than merely the max temp and min pressure.
"What is important is not so much the absolute value of a given parameter, but rather (that part of) the (gradual - if you feel "dans le temps" is necessary) evolution/development of that parameter which (evolution) is directly related to the evolution/development of the damage."
Peer comment(s):
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chris collister
: Couldn't have put it better myself. What more can I say?
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agree |
Alain BERTRAND
: Yesss
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Once again, I have to award the points to Bourth, for the pure depth of the answer and the trouble he takes. Thanks to all other contributors. "
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significant time
Yes your interpretation is right, except that one would not call it crucial time, but significant time (or even relevant time).
Significant is better because of its use in statistics and the fact that it can be given a statistical definition.
Significant is better because of its use in statistics and the fact that it can be given a statistical definition.
Peer comment(s):
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mchd
: c'est l'évolution qui est significative, pas le temps !
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No. In order to monitor a change, one has to first define the period of time over which one measures it.
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chris collister
: I agree with mchd. It's the change with time (the independent variable) with is indicative ("signifactive) of a change in degradation/contamination. I think I'd only use one "evolution".
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See my note to Asker above. Only by defining a significant time can one measure the change in a parameter. The change in a parameter may occur over a different time period to that of the degradation, particularly if several parameters are involved.
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missing a comma - see explanantion
There should be a comma between the two words. The fact that the parameter is changing over time indicates that something is going wrong. The absolute value of the parameter isn't that important.
As an anology, your body temperature or blood pressure may be a bit off the "standard" values without it meaning anything. However, if one of them suddenly shoots up (or down), something is going on and it's probably bad...
As an anology, your body temperature or blood pressure may be a bit off the "standard" values without it meaning anything. However, if one of them suddenly shoots up (or down), something is going on and it's probably bad...
Peer comment(s):
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Bourth (X)
: I'd nuance that slightly, but we are on the same wavelength. Attempted explanation below.
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Alain BERTRAND
: U are absolutely right my dear. I'll try to give my answer below.
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