Sep 5, 2007 20:44
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Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Tanatocronodiagnóstico
Spanish to English
Medical
Medical (general)
Forensic
Aparece en una Partida de Defunción (Death Certificate)
Busqué en Internet para tener más contexto, y encontré esto:
"La Entomología Forense constituye una aplicación de la ciencia entomológica a todos aquellos aspectos que pudieren tener relación con el ámbito legal. De estos aspectos uno de los más relevantes es el relacionado con el Tanatocronodiagnóstico, es decir, el establecimiento de la data de la muerte en casos de fallecimiento de interés forense"
MUCHAS GRACIAS!!
Busqué en Internet para tener más contexto, y encontré esto:
"La Entomología Forense constituye una aplicación de la ciencia entomológica a todos aquellos aspectos que pudieren tener relación con el ámbito legal. De estos aspectos uno de los más relevantes es el relacionado con el Tanatocronodiagnóstico, es decir, el establecimiento de la data de la muerte en casos de fallecimiento de interés forense"
MUCHAS GRACIAS!!
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39 mins
Rebecca Hendry
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
MSc MITI MCIL Chartered Linguist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, English
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estimated time of death
The google hits for thanatochronology are not convincing, and I suspect we would use a simpler term in English. For a death certificate, I think this would be sufficient.
The estimated time of death is calculated by forensic experts based on things like body temperature, rigor mortis etc, and is different from the "legal" time of death, which is when a body is discovered or a patient is pronounced dead by a doctor. This article may be of interest - http://www.sunshineandcrime.com/timelydeath.htm
The estimated time of death is calculated by forensic experts based on things like body temperature, rigor mortis etc, and is different from the "legal" time of death, which is when a body is discovered or a patient is pronounced dead by a doctor. This article may be of interest - http://www.sunshineandcrime.com/timelydeath.htm
Peer comment(s):
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Rachel Fell
: sort of a reasonable link, I think - http://www.um.es/grzba/forense/index.htm
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| agree |
Henry Hinds
: Sound like the most straightforward.
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liz askew
: No, it is "data" = date.//And it is not "estimated" either. A diagnosis/determination is based on sound evidence...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "THANKS for you answer! yes, and later in the text it reads "from 8 to 12 hours", so it makes sense. It was really helpful, thank you!"
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Luis Javier Otoya
Native in Spanish
Translations that speak your language
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Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
time of death diagnosis
De acuerdo con Maria, pero en términos simples se podría decir como lo sugiero
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47 mins
determination of time of death (TOD)
La Entomología Forense constituye una aplicación de la ciencia entomológica a todos aquellos aspectos que pudieren tener relación con el ámbito legal. De estos aspectos uno de los más relevantes es el relacionado con el tanatocronodiagnóstico, es decir, el establecimiento de la data de la muerte en casos de fallecimiento de interés forense. Existen, no obstante, muchos otros aspectos aplicados, como la emisión de informes periciales sobre fauna de los productos almacenados, informes biomédicos,...
[The use of impedance plethysmography in the forensic medical ...
Diagnosis of the time of death (DTD) is a pressing problem of forensic medicine. For defining the cr...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM... - Similar pages
The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology - Fulltext ...
... present problems with respect to the determination of time of death (TOD), ... In the forensic literature we did not find any studies on long-term ...
www.amjforensicmedicine.com/pt/re/ajfmp/fulltext.00000433-2... - Similar pages
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I beg your pardon
It should = "Determination of DATE of death"...
Determining the date and time of [email protected]orensic entomologists can provide accurate estimates of the date (rather than the precise time) of death by this method. This is explained in more depth in ...
www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1501608 - 28k - Cached - Similar pages
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Note added at 56 mins (2007-09-05 21:41:12 GMT)
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Finding the date of death:
In cases where the body is not found for some time after death, the process of decay can give a pretty reasonable indication of the length of time the body has been undiscovered.
After two days, green staining normally occurs on the flanks of the abdomen. This is caused by the action of bacteria breaking down the blood. In a day or two more, the green will spread to stain the arms, legs and neck as the body swells. After a week, blisters appear.
[The use of impedance plethysmography in the forensic medical ...
Diagnosis of the time of death (DTD) is a pressing problem of forensic medicine. For defining the cr...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubM... - Similar pages
The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology - Fulltext ...
... present problems with respect to the determination of time of death (TOD), ... In the forensic literature we did not find any studies on long-term ...
www.amjforensicmedicine.com/pt/re/ajfmp/fulltext.00000433-2... - Similar pages
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Note added at 53 mins (2007-09-05 21:38:18 GMT)
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I beg your pardon
It should = "Determination of DATE of death"...
Determining the date and time of [email protected]orensic entomologists can provide accurate estimates of the date (rather than the precise time) of death by this method. This is explained in more depth in ...
www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1501608 - 28k - Cached - Similar pages
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Note added at 56 mins (2007-09-05 21:41:12 GMT)
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Finding the date of death:
In cases where the body is not found for some time after death, the process of decay can give a pretty reasonable indication of the length of time the body has been undiscovered.
After two days, green staining normally occurs on the flanks of the abdomen. This is caused by the action of bacteria breaking down the blood. In a day or two more, the green will spread to stain the arms, legs and neck as the body swells. After a week, blisters appear.
Note from asker:
| THANKS for your answer!! I will choose "TIME of death" (instead of "DATE") because later it reads "8 to 12 hours". Very helpful, thank you! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Rachel Fell
: slightly more tenuous than other link, but still - http://www.monografias.com/trabajos34/lugar-del-hecho/lugar-...
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Lovely - thank you!
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Assessment of death chronology
Links about entomology and assessment of death chronology
[PDF] Best practice in forensic entomology — standards and guidelinesFormato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
of custody, but also because forensic entomology deals. with living organisms, which should be ..... accurate assessment of death chronology is not possible ...
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/414/2007/00000121/000000... - Páginas similares
ScienceDirect - Forensic Science International : The forensic ...- [ Traduzca esta página ]Historically the most common applications of forensic entomology deal with the estimation of postmortem interval. The assessment of death chronology is ...
http://www.linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S03790738010... - Páginas similares
ScienceDirect - Forensic Science International : Factors affecting ...- [ Traduzca esta página ]The assessment of death chronology is always difficult for both forensic pathologist and forensic entomologist; it is often an imprecise cause of the ...
http://www.linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S03790738010... - Páginas similares
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-09-05 22:34:42 GMT)
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[DOC] FOURTH MEETINGFormato de archivo: Microsoft Word - Versión en HTML
Often, the assessment of death chronology on badly decomposed bodies or skeletonized remains can be only made based on insects due to lack of information ...
http://www.new.eafe.org/bari_fichiers/Program_Abstracts.doc - Páginas similares
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Death | LibraryThing- [ Traduzca esta página ]Older people > Care > Fiction (1). Forensic entomology > Popular works (1) ...... Death > Chronology (1 works). Death > Comic books, strips, etc (1 works) ...
www.librarything.com/subject.php?subject=Death - 320k - En caché - Páginas similares
[PDF] Forensic Entomology Special Issue Anil Aggrawal's Internet Journal ...Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Forensic entomology is the study of insects associated with human corpses during ...... the determination of death chronology (postmortem. interval – PMI). ...
www.benecke.com/pdf-files/fespecial2004.pdf - Páginas similares
[PDF] Best practice in forensic entomology — standards and guidelinesFormato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
of custody, but also because forensic entomology deals. with living organisms, which should be ..... accurate assessment of death chronology is not possible ...
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/414/2007/00000121/000000... - Páginas similares
ScienceDirect - Forensic Science International : The forensic ...- [ Traduzca esta página ]Historically the most common applications of forensic entomology deal with the estimation of postmortem interval. The assessment of death chronology is ...
http://www.linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S03790738010... - Páginas similares
ScienceDirect - Forensic Science International : Factors affecting ...- [ Traduzca esta página ]The assessment of death chronology is always difficult for both forensic pathologist and forensic entomologist; it is often an imprecise cause of the ...
http://www.linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S03790738010... - Páginas similares
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-09-05 22:34:42 GMT)
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[DOC] FOURTH MEETINGFormato de archivo: Microsoft Word - Versión en HTML
Often, the assessment of death chronology on badly decomposed bodies or skeletonized remains can be only made based on insects due to lack of information ...
http://www.new.eafe.org/bari_fichiers/Program_Abstracts.doc - Páginas similares
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-09-05 22:36:43 GMT)
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Death | LibraryThing- [ Traduzca esta página ]Older people > Care > Fiction (1). Forensic entomology > Popular works (1) ...... Death > Chronology (1 works). Death > Comic books, strips, etc (1 works) ...
www.librarything.com/subject.php?subject=Death - 320k - En caché - Páginas similares
[PDF] Forensic Entomology Special Issue Anil Aggrawal's Internet Journal ...Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Forensic entomology is the study of insects associated with human corpses during ...... the determination of death chronology (postmortem. interval – PMI). ...
www.benecke.com/pdf-files/fespecial2004.pdf - Páginas similares
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María Diehn
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
United States
Spanish Translation and Reviewing
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Portuguese to Spanish, Spanish to English, and 3 more.
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tanatho-chrono-diagnosis
This would be the equivalent expression in English.
Tanathos means death in Greek.
Chrono-diagnosis of hypertension The time-qualified reference interval, namely chronodesm, was formulated on the basis of the reference range of ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0039-0526(1990)39%3A3%3C307%3ACAOADE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-M
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-09-06 00:51:16 GMT) Post-grading
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The definition posted by the asker was correct. I gave the exact equivalent of the Spanish expression in English, where this expression is exactly as frequent as in English: I had never seen it before. Therefore, my suggestion maintains the right register, which is something that I think is important when translating.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-09-06 10:51:17 GMT) Post-grading
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I made a typo: it is not "tanathos" but "thanatos".
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-09-06 11:26:27 GMT) Post-grading
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The expression refers to "time since death":
"It can be a challenge to estimate the time since death for a body when only bones remain. Plant roots, like their above-ground counterparts, exhibit annual growth rings that can be useful in pinning down the post-mortem interval, or at least the time since the body came to be at the location where it was found (Willey and Heilman, 1987)."
http://myweb.dal.ca/jvandomm/forensicbotany/plantanatomy.htm...
Although the question is already closed, the asker could see the role of entomology as a useful tool in forensics. (Entomology studies insects, "bugs"):
"Forensic entomology is the study of insects associated with a body after death, mainly to determine time since death. It is the use of insects, and their arthropod relatives inhabiting decomposing remains, that aid legal investigations. Therefore, in its broadest sense, forensic entomology actually refers to any legal activity that involves insects or other arthropods. "
http://www.tolweb.org/treehouses/?treehouse_id=4197
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Note added at 340 days (2008-08-11 03:22:24 GMT) Post-grading
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I translated "tanatocronodiagnóstico," not the Spanish explanation of the term.
Here are some examples of usage in Spanish, within a scientific realm, taken from this web page: http://www.um.es/grzba/forense/index.htm:
Igualmente, el Laboratorio emite informes periciales con fines de tanatocronodiagnosis, informes sobre procedencia de fauna hallada en productos almacenados de distinta índole e informes biomédicos sobre material biológico de carácter parásito.
M.I. ARNALDOS; E. ROMERA; M.D. GARCÍA & A. LUNA.- Sucesión de los Dípteros de interés tanatocronodiagnóstico en un área mediterránea. VIII Congresso Ibérico de Entomología. Évora. Portugal. 7 – 11 septiembre de 1998.
The following is the bilingual title of a book containing both the Spanish and the English terms:
Id: 166111
Autor: Castro Bobadilla, Dennis A; Dickerman Kraunick, Arema R.
Título: Entomología forense tanatocronodiagnóstico / Tanacronodiagnostic forensic entomology
http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bin/wxislind.exe/iah/online/?Isis...
Tanathos means death in Greek.
Chrono-diagnosis of hypertension The time-qualified reference interval, namely chronodesm, was formulated on the basis of the reference range of ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0039-0526(1990)39%3A3%3C307%3ACAOADE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-M
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-09-06 00:51:16 GMT) Post-grading
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The definition posted by the asker was correct. I gave the exact equivalent of the Spanish expression in English, where this expression is exactly as frequent as in English: I had never seen it before. Therefore, my suggestion maintains the right register, which is something that I think is important when translating.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-09-06 10:51:17 GMT) Post-grading
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I made a typo: it is not "tanathos" but "thanatos".
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-09-06 11:26:27 GMT) Post-grading
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The expression refers to "time since death":
"It can be a challenge to estimate the time since death for a body when only bones remain. Plant roots, like their above-ground counterparts, exhibit annual growth rings that can be useful in pinning down the post-mortem interval, or at least the time since the body came to be at the location where it was found (Willey and Heilman, 1987)."
http://myweb.dal.ca/jvandomm/forensicbotany/plantanatomy.htm...
Although the question is already closed, the asker could see the role of entomology as a useful tool in forensics. (Entomology studies insects, "bugs"):
"Forensic entomology is the study of insects associated with a body after death, mainly to determine time since death. It is the use of insects, and their arthropod relatives inhabiting decomposing remains, that aid legal investigations. Therefore, in its broadest sense, forensic entomology actually refers to any legal activity that involves insects or other arthropods. "
http://www.tolweb.org/treehouses/?treehouse_id=4197
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Note added at 340 days (2008-08-11 03:22:24 GMT) Post-grading
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I translated "tanatocronodiagnóstico," not the Spanish explanation of the term.
Here are some examples of usage in Spanish, within a scientific realm, taken from this web page: http://www.um.es/grzba/forense/index.htm:
Igualmente, el Laboratorio emite informes periciales con fines de tanatocronodiagnosis, informes sobre procedencia de fauna hallada en productos almacenados de distinta índole e informes biomédicos sobre material biológico de carácter parásito.
M.I. ARNALDOS; E. ROMERA; M.D. GARCÍA & A. LUNA.- Sucesión de los Dípteros de interés tanatocronodiagnóstico en un área mediterránea. VIII Congresso Ibérico de Entomología. Évora. Portugal. 7 – 11 septiembre de 1998.
The following is the bilingual title of a book containing both the Spanish and the English terms:
Id: 166111
Autor: Castro Bobadilla, Dennis A; Dickerman Kraunick, Arema R.
Título: Entomología forense tanatocronodiagnóstico / Tanacronodiagnostic forensic entomology
http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bin/wxislind.exe/iah/online/?Isis...
Note from asker:
| The etymology was useful, thak you! |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
liz askew
: References? Never come across this.//In this instance is about the non-existence of this translation into English. Did you even check?//I am not being aggressive, merely stating the case.
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I think this way of saying the same things is far more professional than yours: "The google hits for thanatochronology are not convincing, and I suspect we would use a simpler term in English. For a death certificate, I think this would be sufficient."
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Henry Hinds
: English really hates that kind of stuff! Yes, and others like it; in English the best equivalent is normally one that is really English, not Greek or Roman! That's a good rule to follow, works most of the time.
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Had you seen this expression in Spanish before? I had not. I tried to keep the register of the source text, as I always do. Greek and Latin terms are widely used in science.
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