May 25, 2007 22:53
16 yrs ago
French term

Ses attributs sont la faux et le sablier

French to English Art/Literary History Moyen âge, mythes, etc...
Voilà, une dernière phrase sur laquelle j'ai un doute...
Merci.
"Je veux maintenant vous parler de mon père, fils d’Ouranos, le Ciel, et de Gaïa, la Terre, et Roi des Titans : Cronos !
Ses attributs sont la faux et le sablier".
Je ne suis pas sûre qu'attributes soit le meilleur choix...
"His attributes are the scythe and the hourglass"?

Discussion

Silvia Brandon-Pérez May 26, 2007:
I personally prefer attributes.

Proposed translations

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attributes / emblems (both are accepted)

I understand why you might have doubts about "attributes": because in general English likes to use the word for abstract qualities or characteristics. In fact, though, it is a term accepted by (say) art historians for this very context.

To demonstrate the point, I recommend the following googles:
"attribute of St."
"emblem of St."

You will see that the English-language literature supports both. (Ignore of course anything translated from another language or seeming to have been written by a non-native speaker)
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
6 hrs
thanks Tony.
agree Assimina Vavoula
7 hrs
thank you A
agree Cervin : Your noter helped me to decide-I was thinking along the lines of 'device' as in heraldry but I knew that wasnt the right word here.!
7 hrs
great! thanks C
agree Martin Cassell : prefer attributes - this is the correct technical term used in cultural/religious/art studies - see for example http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/Col...
9 hrs
thank you Martin, must be right.
agree Mark Nathan
10 hrs
thanks Mark
agree jean-jacques alexandre
12 hrs
merci bien J-J
agree Christopher Crockett : Yes, saints (and gods) have "attributes" in art history --frequently these are the only means for making a proper iconographic identification.
3 days 12 hrs
thank you Christopher
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he is always shown with a scythe and an hour glass

Another possibility that side-steps the whole attribute/emblem/symbol issue.
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his symbols are the scythe(or sickle) and hourglass

I know Tony is going to say that "une faux" is a scythe and "une faucille" is a sickle !!!!
In most of the documents I have found he is depicted with a sickle and as he used it to castrate his father a scythe might be a little difficult to use!!!! xo(
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19 hrs

Characteristics/Distinguishing features

Two oother suggestions. I prefer distinguishing features.
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8 mins

his distinctive signs are scythe and hourglass

"emblem" , perhaps

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Note added at 4 days (2007-05-30 07:47:18 GMT)
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What I find rather strange about the scythe being one of Cronos' attribute is that that instrument was invented in the 14th or 15th century in western Europe!
Peer comment(s):

agree Carol Gullidge : yes, I was just about to put this! The design is the Grim Reaper holding his Scythe and an hour glass to remind us that our time is almost up! The scythe has foiled detailing that makes it ...
1 min
Thank you Carol!
agree swisstell : or sickle instead of scythe
3 mins
Thank Swiss!
agree Ingeborg Gowans (X) : see Psalm 90:12
4 mins
Thank you Ingeborg!
disagree Tony M : 'distinctive signs' sounds too much like personal features (moles, scars, tatoos, etc.) And SwissTell, please note that it IS a 'scythe' and NOT a 'sickle', which is a different implement again.
8 hrs
Thank you Tony, I wasn't sure "attributes" could be used ..By the way , this "imagery" is historically false, unless it's some sort of tale for children...
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