Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
filet [in some metalworking contexts, etc.; see question for fuller discussion]
English translation:
fillet
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Tony M
May 31, 2005 06:18
19 yrs ago
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French term
à filets
French to English
Other
Cooking / Culinary
Silver dishware
I'm translating a document that has a list of furniture, dishes, flatware, etc. and there are a few terms I'm not sure of. I'd appreciate any input. 2 petits plats "a filets". These are silver plates, in a section that mostly has serving utensils and dishes. I kind of doubt it's for serving fillets (of steak or fish) as the plates are small, and the dishes and silverware in the rest of the document are for 24 people. Could it be that the silver plate itself is pierced, decorative with holes in it? Or has some kind of trim? Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
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| 1 +2 | with a fillet |
Tony M
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| 2 | filigree silver dishes |
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French term (edited):
� filets
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with a fillet
Like you, I suspect that it wouldn't be for serving fillets (though it might be a specially-shaped dish for fish, as is common in larger sizes for whol salmon, fopr example...)
But I don't think the net / pierced idea is likely either --- I don't think the concept of 'filet' works well like that in FR, and it'd more likely be 'ajouré' (as often used for porcelain etc.)
My guess is that it means with a 'fillet' or band, probably decorative, and probably round the edge; I think they might even call it a 'bead'. Many stainless-steel dishes these are made cheaply and do not have any kind of edge, whereas traditional silver-plated flatware, however plain, was very often made with some kind of beaded edge --- decorative as well as reinforcing.
I'm afraid I don't know if there exists an exact term for this in EN (and you'd probably need to see a picture of the item in question to be sure how to describe it), but I hope this has maybe given you a third option for the meaning of 'filet'
Note also that it is the word used for the narrow coloured or gilded (etc.) border often found around the edge of china plates, so that could be another avenue...
But I don't think the net / pierced idea is likely either --- I don't think the concept of 'filet' works well like that in FR, and it'd more likely be 'ajouré' (as often used for porcelain etc.)
My guess is that it means with a 'fillet' or band, probably decorative, and probably round the edge; I think they might even call it a 'bead'. Many stainless-steel dishes these are made cheaply and do not have any kind of edge, whereas traditional silver-plated flatware, however plain, was very often made with some kind of beaded edge --- decorative as well as reinforcing.
I'm afraid I don't know if there exists an exact term for this in EN (and you'd probably need to see a picture of the item in question to be sure how to describe it), but I hope this has maybe given you a third option for the meaning of 'filet'
Note also that it is the word used for the narrow coloured or gilded (etc.) border often found around the edge of china plates, so that could be another avenue...
Peer comment(s):
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Rachel Fell
: how about "plates with border"; "bordered"? Are they the only things "a filet", or is it the whole lot?
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Thanks, Rachel! Seems to me like it's JUST the "2 petits plats"?
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sarahl (X)
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Thanks, Sarah!
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French term (edited):
� filets
filigree silver dishes
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The rim of the dish is decorated with filigree ornament including an inscription which dates the dish to 1561. ... Silver Dish. 18th century ...
dimkin.df.ru/moscow/armoury_3.html - 10k
by a silver figure of a page holding a silver dish above his head. ... silver-gilt coffee set, the elaborate sugar bowl incorporating filigree work, ...
www.gilbert-collection.org.uk/ previous_exhibitions/hungarian_gold/ - 24k
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Note added at 3 days 57 mins (2005-06-03 07:16:05 GMT)
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I have just found 2 alternatives which may fit:
thread border or silver thread trim
NEW SILVER WAITERS + SALVERS WITH THREAD BORDER. NEW SILVER THREAD DESIGN
CANDLESTICKS ... NEW 7 3/4 INCH SILVER ARMADA DISH £275 $435 ...
www.mplevene.co.uk/searchresults.aspx?categoryid=1023 - 31k
SHEFFIELD PLATED SILVER PIE SERVING SET
By James Dixon and Sons, circa 1860, comprising a serving fork and spoon with a Victorian thread border, length 8 1/2 inches, in original fitted box
www.iveyselkirk.com/onlinecatalogue.cfm?Catalog=14& StartAt=1&Category_ID=274&ShowImageText=1 - 38k
Sterling Silver Thread Border Baby Rattle Engraved - Personalized Gift and personalized gifts from the Silver Gallery. Quality pewter & sterling silver ...
www.silvergallery.com/engraving. html?SKU=LN1180TB&CODE=LN1180TB - 29k
mounted with silver-thread trim and with silver hooks and eyes for closure.... Item 14067 - Magnificent George III silver-gilt sideboard dish, ...
www.argentum-theleopard.com/alpha.htm - 134k
dimkin.df.ru/moscow/armoury_3.html - 10k
by a silver figure of a page holding a silver dish above his head. ... silver-gilt coffee set, the elaborate sugar bowl incorporating filigree work, ...
www.gilbert-collection.org.uk/ previous_exhibitions/hungarian_gold/ - 24k
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Note added at 3 days 57 mins (2005-06-03 07:16:05 GMT)
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I have just found 2 alternatives which may fit:
thread border or silver thread trim
NEW SILVER WAITERS + SALVERS WITH THREAD BORDER. NEW SILVER THREAD DESIGN
CANDLESTICKS ... NEW 7 3/4 INCH SILVER ARMADA DISH £275 $435 ...
www.mplevene.co.uk/searchresults.aspx?categoryid=1023 - 31k
SHEFFIELD PLATED SILVER PIE SERVING SET
By James Dixon and Sons, circa 1860, comprising a serving fork and spoon with a Victorian thread border, length 8 1/2 inches, in original fitted box
www.iveyselkirk.com/onlinecatalogue.cfm?Catalog=14& StartAt=1&Category_ID=274&ShowImageText=1 - 38k
Sterling Silver Thread Border Baby Rattle Engraved - Personalized Gift and personalized gifts from the Silver Gallery. Quality pewter & sterling silver ...
www.silvergallery.com/engraving. html?SKU=LN1180TB&CODE=LN1180TB - 29k
mounted with silver-thread trim and with silver hooks and eyes for closure.... Item 14067 - Magnificent George III silver-gilt sideboard dish, ...
www.argentum-theleopard.com/alpha.htm - 134k
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: I'm somewhat doubtful, sipmly because filigree has a quite different translation available in FR
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