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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

obbligati solidali

English translation:

those jointly liable

Added to glossary by Jenny Cowd
Jan 11, 2007 10:20
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Italian term

obbligati solidali

Italian to English Law/Patents Law (general)
The context is a surety policy.

...si costituisce fideiussore nell’interesse della DITTA STIPULANTE e dei suoi obbligati solidali ai sensi di legge...

Discussion

momo savino Jan 11, 2007:
I agree with Paul Johnston who this message is addressed to (but can't post it, do not know why) If I were working on this translation I would choose ***guarantor ***. But why should "co-guarantor" be right? TIA

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those jointly liable (in the context)

the signatory firm and those jointly liable with it. Liable that is to repay the debt which is being guaranteed.

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Momo, It is the standard legal terminology. If you and I agree to "joint" responsibility for a debt we repay it 50-50, but if you don't pay then I have to pay it all and vice versa. In another context that is what solidarity is all about.
Peer comment(s):

agree Peter Cox
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agree Rosanna Palermo
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neutral Gennady Lapardin : just a joke: the tsunami and the insurance company bear joint responsibility for the damage - people curse tsunami and take money from the insurer :)
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neutral momo savino : why *jointly*?
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supportive debtors

see link:

http://wakeuplife.org/?m=20060318

cheers

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for "obbligati=debtors".. see:

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=30382
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joint obligors

That's what we say at the EC. I think the context is the same as the web page I'm attaching.
Peer comment(s):

agree Patricia Crotty : or joint debtors
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agree Gennady Lapardin
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agree momo savino : why *joint*?
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jointly (equally) obliged

jointly (equally) obliged
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neutral momo savino : why *jointly*?
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affiliates/associates

and its affiliates, an affiliate is any company or any one having a business relation with the Company
You could also use Legal Affiliates

WordNet - Cite This Source affiliate

noun
1. a subordinate or subsidiary associate; a person who is affiliated with another or with an organization
2. a subsidiary or subordinate organization that is affiliated with another organization; "network affiliates"

verb
1. join in an affiliation; "They affiliated themselves with the organization"
2. keep company with; hang out with; "He associates with strange people"; "She affiliates with her colleagues" [syn: consort]
3. join in an affiliation; "The two colleges affiliated"


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as·so·ci·ate /v. əˈsoʊʃiˌeɪt, -si-; n., adj., əˈsoʊʃiɪt, -ˌeɪt, -si-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. uh-soh-shee-eyt, -see-; n., adj., uh-soh-shee-it, -eyt, -see-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -at·ed, -at·ing, noun, adjective
noun 7. a person who shares actively in anything as a business, enterprise, or undertaking; partner; colleague; fellow worker: He consulted with his associates before proceeding further.
8. a companion or comrade: my most intimate associates.
9. a confederate; an accomplice or ally: criminal associates.
10. anything usually accompanying or associated with another; an accompaniment or concomitant.



American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source as·so·ci·ate (ə-sō'shē-āt', -sē-) Pronunciation Key
v. as·so·ci·at·ed, as·so·ci·at·ing, as·so·ci·ates

adj. (-ĭt, -āt')

Joined with another or others and having equal or nearly equal status: an associate editor.
Having partial status or privileges: an associate member of the club.
Following or accompanying; concomitant.


[Middle English associaten, from Latin associāre, associāt- : ad-, ad- + socius, companion; see sekw-1 in Indo-European roots.]


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WordNet - Cite This Source associated

adjective
1. related to or accompanying; "Christmas and associated festivities"
2. joined in some kind of relationship (as a colleague or ally or companion etc.); "a cabal of associated lawyers"

n. (-ĭt, -āt')

A person united with another or others in an act, enterprise, or business; a partner or colleague.
A companion; a comrade.
One that habitually accompanies or is associated with another; an attendant circumstance.
A member of an institution or society who is granted only partial status or privileges.
often Associate An associate's degree.

Peer comment(s):

disagree Manuela Parisotto : It doesn't convey the idea of joint liability
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I beg to differ. Legal associates are parties not only related to the Company, but subject to the same responsibilies/liabilities and priviledges thereof
neutral momo savino : the "obbligati solidali" are not necessarily affiliates or subordinate or subsidiary associates
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jointlyy responsible

Taken from the business correspondence:

There was only one change, effective 8/12/05. A.R.S. § 32-2328 was added. This new provision states that a business licensee, qualifying party or applicator may be held *jointly responsible* for the acts or omissions of another person who is under their supervision if the supervising licensee fails to properly train, equip or supervise the other person or maintain relevant records.

It seems to be exactly the case.
Peer comment(s):

agree momo savino : I thank you, especially because I was still sure I was not wrong
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rsponsible

/ those who have a responsibility
solidali = in solido = those who must pay in case of accidents

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ops
responsible

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dal Gran Diccionario Oxford : responsible to sb = responsabile nei cfr di qcuno; they are responsible to the committee = sono responsablili nei cofr del comitato. So I confirm that RESPONSIBLE can be correct in this context.
Peer comment(s):

disagree James (Jim) Davis : responsibility and liability are not always the same thing in English. The tsumani was responsible for the damage and the insurance company was liable for and paid for the damage. ;-)
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Thank you again
agree Gennady Lapardin : jointly responsible, see my answer
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