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Nov 22, 2013 15:22
10 yrs ago
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French term

matériellement vérifiables

French to English Law/Patents Law (general)
This is taken from a court of cassation decision on the content of letters of dismissal:

"Les griefs contenus dans le courrier de licenciement doivent être précis et matériellement vérifiables".

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
3 +6 based on verifiable facts
4 +2 physically verifiable
Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (2): philgoddard, Yvonne Gallagher

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Proposed translations

+6
45 mins
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based on verifiable facts

The French is not very logical: it is not the grievances that should be verifiable, but the facts on which they are based.

Example sentence:

That Mr. Laber’s conclusions were not <b>based on verifiable facts</b> may have been colored by his eagerness to terminate Mr. Hare’s employment rather than by findings of fact after a reasonable investigation

Reference:

http://mn.gov/bms/documents/awards/20120521%20CHS.pdf

Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : yes, that's what I'd use as well. it even makes sense in the context and it is also one of the definitions of matériellement (in this sort of context)
1 hr
agree James Emery : I like this too.
1 hr
agree Yvonne Gallagher
2 hrs
agree AllegroTrans
3 hrs
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : A simple practical solution. The term "veracity" is a possible alternative, but that means turning the sentence around.
19 hrs
agree Lorraine Dubuc
22 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "perfect, thanks"
+2
22 mins

physically verifiable

14,000 results on google for this, and would appear to make sense.




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Note added at 1 hr (2013-11-22 17:18:11 GMT)
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How about "there must be hard evidence to support the reasons given for dismissal"..... ?
Peer comment(s):
neutral writeaway : can you show that one of the 14,000 hits actually backs the translation? it does seemingly make sense but backing an answer in legalese is always a good idea. looking at how the French is used, I have my doubts
7 mins
neutral mchd : dans ce cas, matériellement ne veut pas dire physiquement// les conséquences d'un manquement (par ex. erreur d'enregistrement de commande) sont des preuves tangibles.
14 mins
Compris, mais je vois mal comment il pourrait en être autrement dans ce cas, à moins qu'il s'agisse de fournir des justificatifs écrits...... pas évident quand on doit prouver qu'un acte a été commis ou pas.
agree philgoddard : I think materially would be slightly better, as in supported by tangible evidence.
1 hr
agree Yvonne Gallagher : with Phil, and with "hard evidence..."
2 hrs
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : "Physically verifiable" is not sufficiently legalesy for the context. "Hard evidence" does not necessarily imply first-hand facts, which the original does imply. "Evidence" suggest the existence of facts, the original requires the facts to be verifiable.
19 hrs
neutral Lorraine Dubuc : on parle davantage de preuves tangibles 'physically vérifiable' est trop littéral et probablement peu usité.
22 hrs
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