Feb 14, 2015 18:42
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English term

held against

English Medical Philosophy Jaspers position towards husserlian phenomenology
Jaspers’ critique of the phenomenological perceptual methodology did not really weaken
the upsurge of psychiatric phenomenology and its impact for several decades up to the
present. There was some sympathy on Jaspers’ side with Viktor von Weizsäcker’s work
which to a certain degree was inspired by phenomenology. This lasted, however, just as
long as Jaspers could assume that von Weizsäcker held against psychoanalysis. When an
amalgamation of both was looming, Jaspers withdrew.

How do you interpret the verb? Is it correctly used here (the author of the article is German)?

Discussion

DLyons Feb 14, 2015:
Yes, I shouldn't have included (1). It's late.
B D Finch Feb 14, 2015:
@Donal The two constructions have different meanings:
"... he held against them their earlier support of Mithridates" means that he held that earlier support as a grudge against them;
"Wischai't, however, was taken prisoner by the English in the Castle of Ciipar, which he held against them in 1306" is actually ambiguous. It probably means that Wischai't held (i.e. defended) the Castle of Ciipar against the English in 1306, but it could mean that, in 1306 Wischai't had the chance to get revenge against the English for having held him prisoner.

To hold out against something is to continue to oppose it, usually when that opposition is difficult to sustain.
DLyons Feb 14, 2015:
@Barabara That's more common certainly, but this construction does exist. For example
"[had no] affection for the Thebans; he held against them their earlier support of Mithridates"
" taken prisoner by the English in the Castle of Ciipar, which he held against them in 1306."
“We held against them once so why not again?”

Whether it's entirely appropriate here depends on the wider context.
B D Finch Feb 14, 2015:
A missing "out"? I think it probably should have been "held out against".

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stayed opposed

there are diffferent ways to say this...
Peer comment(s):

agree B D Finch : I think it should have been "held out against".
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agree acetran
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was opposed to / held a contrary position

It's a bit unusual, but not incorrect.
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agree magdadh
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Thanks magdadh.
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remained in opposition

Another option - I think there is a hint of 'holding fort' there -- and then he gave up and joined them.
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