Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

WC à la turque

English translation:

Turkish-style toilet

Added to glossary by Anthony Green
Sep 20, 2004 11:01
19 yrs ago
French term

WC à la turque

Non-PRO French to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering
In a description of servants' quarters in a Madagascar home - do we have a standard translation?

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Sep 20, 2004:
both I suppose but I did feel a little over-PC for thinking I might offend. Thanks for removing it!
Tony M Sep 20, 2004:
...or was it the 'racism' that could be implied from calling it 'Turkish'? But after all, we all appreciate Turkish delight and Turkish baths...
Please re-instate your note if you feel I was wrong :-)
Tony M Sep 20, 2004:
Sorry, Anthony, I removed your 'may offend' note by mistake, I meant to right-click for info and left-clicked instead. However, I don't think you need to be coy about this sort of thing; was it the 'toilet' you thought might offend...

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French term (edited): WC � la turque
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Turkish toilet

... How to Use a Turkish Toilet. It can be disconcerting to be confronted with a Turkish
(or "hole") toilet. ... Using a Turkish toilet with grace and safety. ...
www.turkgenealogy.com/content/Neat Things.htm - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

Column
Quick Takes From Paris : La Parisienne, The Ubiquitous Turkish Toilet with more
to come..... La Parisienne.... ... The Turkish Toilet (aargh!!) June 1997. ...
www.understandfrance.org/Paris/Column.html - 34k - Cached - Similar pages


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squat bog is somewhat more colloquial
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agree Tony M : Yes, though I guess it's more politically correct (and graphic!) to use 'squat', but this is what I've always heard them called in English /// LOVE that first ref: 'grace and safety' :-))))) sounds like 'grace and favour'
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agree Sethia
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agree Natou
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agree sarahl (X)
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agree Richard Benham : Or maybe "turkish-style toilets", since they are unlikely to have been imported from Turkey?
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agree Rachele Rossanese
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agree palani
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agree Scott Horne (X)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I'd always wanted to ask a "may offend" question! I got this rather wrong though - there seems to be nothing like toilet talk to get tongues (or keyboards?) wagging! Thanks everyone - in the end I went for Richard's useful "Turkish-style toilet""
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squat closets

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selon Termium
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neutral Tony M : In technical terms, I'm sure you must be right (but I don't have specialist knowledge so can't 'agree'); I just wanted to check in to say what a delightfully quaint sound 'closet' has these days --- easy to forget where WC comes from!
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possible, I'm not specialized in closets))
disagree Scott Horne (X) : not idiomatic
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French term (edited): WC � la turque

squat toilets

Afetr some research, I found these notes:
Istudied abroad in Israel a few years ago, and in a few places there were squat toilets that everyone refered to as "Turkish Toilettes". Are these similar (if anyone knows) or even the same as the Japanese version?
Oh, they call them Turkish toilets, that's interesting. In Central Europe we call them Italian toilets, as they were/are widely used in Southern Europe. I couldn't find any difference between Italian/Japanese/Arabic squat toilets, to us "Westerners" they're all equally uncomfortable.



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www.jref.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-880.html
www.cromwell-intl.com/toilet/
www.poopreport.com/Techniques/ Content/Nature/squatty.html
www.davethefox.com/words/0203toilets.htm

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From Sarah\'s comment, I realise that my notes above are not very clear. From \"I studied ..... to ... uncomfortable\" should be in inverted commas.
I have come across \'squat\' or \'Turkish\' toilets from France through to Japan, passing by Afganistan, India and Egypt. Often they are called \'s... holes\'. They can be very practical when clean, as in Japan, and extremely off-putting in extreme conditions.
The other website addresses cited provide both terms. A matter of choice.
Peer comment(s):

neutral sarahl (X) : the Turkish version is square, the Japanese is more oval.
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Yes sarah. That's why 'Turkish toilets' seemed a little 'biased' although I know this is the term often used. In fact the text above is not from me, but from the website quoted just below.
agree Richard Benham : I don't think we should get bogged down over minor regioinal differences between squat toilets....
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Quite! Thanks Richard
neutral Rachele Rossanese : uhm.. never seen a toilet like that in southern italy!! hehe by the way, in italy we do say turkish toilets too!
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OK Rachele, as I said, the quote was not mine. It would be interesting to have feedback from the Far East to know what term they use
agree Scott Horne (X) : But "Turkish toilet" is the better choice.
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French term (edited): WC � la turque

Note on oriental toilets

The British Standards Institute defines in its glossary "squatting WC pan" and "squatting plate" (foot plates).

The McGHill Dict. of Architecture and Construction has "squatting closet", of which it says "Same as 'Asiatic water closet'", itself defined as "A water closet which has its bowl nearly flush with the floor so that the user adopts a squatting position; widely used in some parts of Asia".

Scott's The Penguin Dict. of Building has "squatting closet, asiatic closet, squat pan".

None of my technical sources refer to a "Turkish toilet". Though that IS a term I have heard, I cannot guarantee from personal experience that it is not a deformation under French influence.

Out of interest, just as we have different types of WC (floor mounted, wall-suspended, horizontal rear exit, vertical rear exit, pan with outlet towards the back, pan with outlet towards the front (what I call "German toilets"), etc., so too do squatting pans differ.

The squatting pan most commonly found in France is a one-piece rectangular pan of vitreous china with a small hole towards the rear and two foot plates rising above the pan bottom. The terms BSI defines (above) refer more to the type of squatting pan I have encountered in Singapore and the Arab world: the vitreous china pan is long, deep, and narrow, enabling natural functions to be performed in a squatting position both forwards and backwards, as it were, without risk of splashing or, indeed, missing, these latter elements being major faults in the French "à la turque" toilet. What is more, the deep narrow type involves little risk of flooding your shoes or the walls upon pulling the chain (a common fault with the "French" variety - I cannot speak for Turkey), since the bottom of the pan is well contained and 6 to 8 inches beneath floor level. The only danger with this type is that you could break a leg were you to step into it accidentally - hence adequate warnings on doors (in airports, at least). As the BSI term implies, the pan itself is set into the floor between two separate foot plates, also vitreous china. Since the depth of the appliance is greater, it requires deeper above-ground floors or deeper plumbing, entailing greater cost.
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neutral Scott Horne (X) : Interesting information. Thanks.
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