Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

citizenship rights vs. civil rights

English answer:

Yes, there is a difference...

Added to glossary by Vassyl Trylis
Sep 30, 2003 16:07
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English term

citizenship rights vs. civil rights

English Other POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY
"Marshall divides citizenship rights into three categories: civil rights, which arose in the eighteenth century; political rights, which arose in the nineteenth century; and social rights ... which have become established in the twentieth century".

So, there is a difference between "citizenship rights" and "civil rights"? What is the difference?

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Sep 30, 2003:
a clarification I took it from a Will Kymlicka's book, so you have rather American Englisch here.

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Yes, there is a difference...

Citizenship rights are: freedom of/to -
religion, assembly, speech, bear and keep arms, etc.

Civil rights are:

against segregation, against sexual prejudice, and so on.
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agree mbc : civil rights are the rights of citizens to be treated equally without bias due to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc
4 mins
agree Rajan Chopra
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agree Claudia Andreani
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hm, interesting

because the Concise Oxford Dictionary defines civil rights as "the rights of citizens to political and social freedom and equality", which more or less tells us that there is no great difference between citizenship rights and civil rights.

I think Marshall may be using the words in his own way to point out the changing nature of what we regard as rights - in the 18th century people's rights were basically those which we regard as civil rights, but since then thinking has developed to include other forms of rights - political rights (by which I assume he means primarily the right to vote and to be voted for) and social rights (the right not to be discrimnated against? the right to have decent housing and support in situations of need?)
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neutral jccantrell : However, 'civil rights' apply to non-citizens as well, at least in the USA.
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Rights of all citizens vs rights of every citizen - a suggestion

The way I have always understood it, and I don't know if this is absolutely correct:

civil rights - the rights of all the citizens, regardless of race, color, or creed; they may have to do with the rights that all the citizens have in relation to each other, and the rights that are protected by the constitution; those are, in my understanding, "greater", or, broader rights that have a greater political context; basic rights

citizen rights may be those rights that pertain to an individual citizen in his/her relationship to the state, and vice versa, the state's treatment of the individual citizen; and they may also include a set of specific, more "minor", or "detailed" rights circumscribing the rights of an individual as a citizen in society

So far, this reflects my personal understanding.



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Note added at 2003-09-30 16:42:57 (GMT)
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I forgot - both rights are protected by the Constitution, I believe:) or should be:)
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neutral mbc : i don´t think civil rights are protected by the original Constitution although they are certainly implied. The Civil Rights Acts is the law that was passed in order to make up for that lack
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neutral Mario Marcolin : Not Marshalls idea, but very interesting nonetheless..:)
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citizenship includes civil rights

There is no opposition:
"Marshall (1977) suggests that the concept of' citizenship' can be divided into three different, but related, sets of 'rights':
• civil rights - to individual freedom, to free speech and thought.
• political rights - to participate in the democratic political process.
• social rights - to social welfare."
http://www.peterjepson.com/law/Citizen/discussing_marshall.h...
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agree Lisa Frideborg Eddy (X)
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Thank you Lisa!
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civil rights

There is no such expression as "citizenship rights" in colloquial UK English. Your rights as as person within the State - ie citizen - are your civil rights.
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neutral chica nueva : Citizen's rights would be OK, wouldn't it? In some countries there are citizens, permanent residents who retain citizenship of another country, and foreigners.Because of their different status, each has different rights, and some rights in common.
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Agreed. Citizen's rights certainly sounds better, citizenship just isn't used as an adjective in UK English - take a look in the OED.
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Difference being if you are Rich you have

Citizenship rights are those exclusively given to those born in the Country. a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth.

Civil Rights are those given to ordinary citizens not necessary born in the country

I don’t know who Will Kymlicka is.
The Author? or the publishing company?

Anyways I think "Marshal" is referring to the focus of our country at the time

18th century Our "civil rights
thus, we had our declaration of independence, and then our constitution.

19th century "political rights" I believe it refers to black slavery Civil War etc.

20th century Social rights is to the fact we are seeing more and more distinction in social classes example is ability to purchase a home etc.


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Note added at 5 hrs 26 mins (2003-09-30 21:33:44 GMT)
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Sorry,
Head title was supposed to say:
Difference being if you are Rich you have \"Citizen rights\" if you poor be happy to still have civic rights. :o) :o) sarcasm
Muchas Traductions
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citizenship is political rights while civil rights are human right

I hereby summit the following link and suggest askers to study U.S. Civil Rights act. of 1964 and various amendmend and by laws related
to this great legal papers:

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/civilrights02.htm
http://europa.eu.int/abc/cit3_en.htm
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See reference below

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/someonesangel/lawone.html

Marshall believes that in order to gain citizenship rights, all people need to be treated like full and equal members of society.5 Kymlicka and Norman state in their article - “[a]ccording to Marshall, citizenship is essentially a matter of ensuring that everyone is treated as a full and equal member of society.”6 This includes gaining civil rights, the rights which ensure the freedom of thought, speech, faith, and allows people the right to own property; political rights, which allow people the right to vote in elections or to run in elections; and social rights, the rights that are related to education and economic welfare.7 In their article, “Return of the Citizen: A Survey of Recent Work on Citizenship”, Kymlicka and Norman state that Marshall believes that - “[b]y guaranteeing civil, political, and social rights to all, the welfare state ensures that every member of society feels like a full member of society, able to participate in and enjoy the common life of society.”8 If these rights are withheld, then people are unable to participate in society; therefore, not everyone has equal status. Within passive citizenship, all people have the same rights and no-one is given extra rights because Marshall believes that would create inequality among citizens; therefore, people are actually only theoretically equal in fact. It recognizes on paper that everyone has the same rights. The passive view of citizenship does not recognize social inequalities, such as income status, to determine equality among citizens of society; therefore, if people cannot gain access to the court system, it is not due to not having the access rights, which means that essential rights are not being denied according to Marshall.9

Perhaps this is more 'rather American English' too, in which case you may have to do a different 'advanced search' with google.
Good luck.
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