Aug 16, 2013 09:58
10 yrs ago
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French term
Négatif sur papier gélatino-argentique viré à l'or
French to English
Art/Literary
Photography/Imaging (& Graphic Arts)
concessions
yet another...
Negative on silver gelatin paper toned with gold?????
Negative on silver gelatin paper toned with gold?????
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | gold-toned negative on silver emulsion paper | chris collister |
3 -2 | negative print on silver nitrate emulsion paper and gold tinted | rachelha |
References
Comprehensive description of the processes | Tony M |
Proposed translations
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gold-toned negative on silver emulsion paper
"Proper" photos used often to be toned with metals such as selenium, platinum, palladium, copper and gold. The resulting colour is not, as you might expect, gold! You can include the "gelatine" for completeness, but it's hardly necessary (though it's true that some emulsions were/are not gelatine-based)
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-08-16 11:31:53 GMT)
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Rachel is correct: the (positive) image is inverted (negative) on the paper, which is then gold-toned to produce a blue-black image, if memory serves. Not a technique I have ever used, though!
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-08-16 11:31:53 GMT)
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Rachel is correct: the (positive) image is inverted (negative) on the paper, which is then gold-toned to produce a blue-black image, if memory serves. Not a technique I have ever used, though!
Peer comment(s):
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rachelha
: Isn't the paper gold-toned?? To me this implies the negative has gold tones.
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Thanks, you're probably right: see above.
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Tony M
: We don't have enough context to know why this paper image is negative; is it in fact an unusual paper camera negative? Or maybe a 'conventional' print made 'unconventionally' from a positive original for artistic effect? Better to remain non-committal!
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Thanks, Tony
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Dr Lofthouse
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Thanks Dr. L
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Helen Shiner
: The negative is NOT what is on display. You need to think about a caption for an exhibition./Perhaps you'd like to take a minute to consider the irony of your response. Posting "when there's not enough to go on"??!
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How can you be sure?? There really isn't enough information to decide one way or the other.//A minute? Not that long, I think, but do post your answer, Helen.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Chris"
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French term (edited):
Négatif sur papier gélatino-argentique viré à l\'or
negative print on silver nitrate emulsion paper and gold tinted
I am suggesting, after some research, the above as a possible translation.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: 'viré' is a specific technical term that refers to the chemical process of 'toning'. / Not really; it is the negative that is toned, not the paper, and this would sound oddly non-technical to my ears. Also, 'negative print' may or may not be contradictory
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Would "negative print on silver nitrate emulsion paper with gold toning" be better?
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chris collister
: Not sure where you get "nitrate" from. Emulsions are usually bromides or chloro-bromides. Probably not "gold-tinted" either.
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Reference comments
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Discussion
The thing I love about metal toning is that kind of iridescent effect you get, that no amount of digital processing can reproduce.
It is also possible (though IMHO less likely) that this refers to an image printed FROM a negative; in that case, it seems odd that it would be a PAPER negative (not the easiest type to print from!); unless the text intended to say it was a print from a negative on ... paper; however, that would assume a rather excessive degree of 'telegraphing' of the text, which I feel is unlikely.
Naturally, it would help a great deal if Asker has any more information about this photograph, or the context in which this appears; is this, for example, in an exhibition catalogue or a sales catalogue? And what is the connection with 'concessions'?
'...juste une image révélée à l’oxyde d’or,'
I've researched the artist a bit and he appears to use a variet of different photographic techniques...