Feb 7, 2010 21:45
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German term

Note mit Tendenz

German to English Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy
Hallo Euch!

Es geht um ein Abgangszeugnis für einen Student eines Gynmasiums. Darauf erscheinen zwei Spalten "Punkte" und "Note mit Tendenz".

Ich suche die richtige Übersetzung für "Tendenz". Es scheint mir, daß dies irgendwie "weighting" entspricht, denn obwohl die Note für individuelle Fächer immer positive sind, werden "Note mit Tendenz" entweder positiv oder auch negativ geschrieben.

Oder ist dies vielleicht ein reiner Vergleich mit dem Noten vom letzten Schulzeugnis des besonderen Students? Also ungefähr "trend".

Ich würde gerne eure Ideen hören.

zB

Deutsch.................. Punkte 03 ..........Note mit Tendenz 5+
Bildende Kunst........ Punkte 07 ..........Note mit Tendenz 3-
Englisch.................. Punkte 08 ..........Note mit Tendenz 3


Besten Dank im Voraus.
Change log

Feb 8, 2010 00:42: Kim Metzger changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences"

Discussion

Lirka Feb 8, 2010:
I agree with Kim It is an indication how 'strong' a grade is, so basically a + or -. In some colleges in the USA, a hybrid grade is also used, such as AB which is between an A [=1 in DE] and a B[=2 in DE].
Kim Metzger Feb 7, 2010:
Translation I'm not sure how I'd handle it. Otherwise, I'd propose a translation. The idea is to further differentiate a student's performance.
The Last Post (asker) Feb 7, 2010:
Thanks Kim! Your clarification is very helpful - thank you. How do you think you would actually translate "Note mit Tendenz"? Simply "Grade +/-"?

Proposed translations

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grade leaning toward a XX

I usually handle it like this:

German 3 points grade leaning towards 5+
English 8 points grade leaning towards 3

This seems to be understood by an English (US) reader, cp:
“Does Obama get a D+ or a C-? Get back with you on the answer. Leaning toward a D+ but like one of my collegues who happens to be an Obama supporter said, “He has only been in office little over two months.”
http://theconnexion.net/wp/?p=4761

If "Notentendenz" appears within a sentence ( i.e. exlanatory in the notes on the conversion of the point to the grade system) , I usually write: "according to grade tendency"


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see also this KudoZ question:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/education_pedago...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Lirka : I would not translate it at all; it may confuse non-German audience and prompt over-interpretation, so to speak.//“Originality implies being bold enough to go beyond accepted norms.”(Storr)
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Leaving it out to *avoid confusion*? That’s a bold move.
agree Sabine Akabayov, PhD : I think, it can't be left out. a 3+ is much better than a 3-, for example
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danke sibsab - freut mich, dass du auch so denkst.
agree seehand
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danke seehand
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I would omit it in order to avoid confusion

The grade itself has a + or -, so it is clear to everyone that it's about 'fine-tuning'. If you translate it, it will sound funny. I'd just leave it out.

Alternatively you could say 'grade, fine-tuned', but only if you REALLY insist.
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Explain the points only

If you look at the table provided by Wikepedia, you will see that 3P in the Oberstufe is equivalent to the customary school mark 5 with positive leaning (i.e. 5+), 7P to a 3 with a negative leaning (3-)and 8P is a 3 with neither positive nor negative leaning (we call this "eine glatte Drei").
In fact the official marks in the Oberstufe are the points which are all added up to a grand total of so many out of 900 (well, that was our system in Bavaria until recently), so I would suggest only referring to the points.
It is certainly easier to understand that 8 out of max 15 is better than 6 than to explain exactly how much better 3+ is than 3 or 3- (or the fact that "3 leaning towards 4" is better than "upright 3" which is itself better than "3 leaning backward towards 5".
Sorry if I'm getting facetious, but I really think it is easier not to try any translation of "Tendenz".


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Note added at 9 hrs (2010-02-08 07:25:44 GMT)
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Oh dear, on re-reading my entry I discover that I am only adding to the confusion. My maths is all wrong. My last-but-one sentence should read: "It is certainly easier to understand that 9 out of max 15 is better than 7 than to explain exactly how much better 3+ is than 3 or 3- (or the fact that "3 leaning towards 2 "(=9P) is better than "upright 3" (=8P) which is itself better than "3 leaning backwards towards 4"(7P) Sorry again !
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Info

The 'Tendenz' is the plus or minus sign.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abitur_in_Baden-Württemberg

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Note added at 10 mins (2010-02-07 21:56:09 GMT)
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Weighting is something different

New Trier offers both unweighted and weighted grade point averages (GPA), and plus and minus grades are reported on transcripts. In calculating a weighted GPA, grades in a student's coursework are given different values depending on the level in which the grade is earned. For example, an A in a 2-level course is weighted at 4.00, while in levels 3 and 4 the values are 4.67 and 5.33, respectively (an "A" in a 5-level class is worth 5.67).[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Trier_High_School


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Note added at 24 mins (2010-02-07 22:10:31 GMT)
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In the US, the plus and minus is sometimes actually used in the calculation of grade point averages. I don't think that's the case in the German system.

http://bulletin.uga.edu/bulletin/PlusMinusGradingFAQ.html#Q1
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Lirka
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neutral Sabine Akabayov, PhD : Just to note, that the +/- are not left out in calculating the average. Thre is a two point difference between an X+ and X-.
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It's been a long time since I taught in a Gymnasium. Thanks for the info.
agree Melanie Nassar : To solve the problem of how to translate it for the table, maybe just Grade (+/-)
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Reference:

Steigerung zum Besseren

Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Nicole Backhaus : Das erscheint mir eine recht politisch korrekte ANtwort
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