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administrative and staff salaries

English translation: I agree with you

13:14 Jul 7, 2009
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / anesthesia practice
English term or phrase: administrative and staff salaries
For an anesthesia practice these expenses often include: billing and collection services, accounting and legal fees, corporate insurance, administrative and staff salaries and benefits, taxes, rent, equipment, pensions and health insurance

does it mean : administrative salaries and staff salaries?
If it does, people in administrative jobs are not called staff? What is the distinction here?
Allda
Local time: 17:49
Selected answer:I agree with you
Explanation:
I fully agree with you that the distinction being made here is not particularly clear. I think (in contrast to Michael's distinction) that "administrative" probably covers receptionists, secretaries, practice managers etc. while "staff" is being used to describe "medical" jobs such as anaesthetists, nurses and technical assistants. However, as you rightly point out, administrative personnel are also "staff", so the distinction doesn't bear too much analysis. However, in relation to a hospital one would refer to the "medical staff" and the "administrative staff" and my assumption is that this is the sort of thing implied here, although it is poorly expressed.
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Armorel Young
Local time: 16:49
Grading comment
not because you agree with me, Armorel ;-) but because your explanation is very clear and convincing. Thank you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
3 +7I agree with you
Armorel Young
4 +1managerial and support-personnel salaries
Michael Powers (PhD)
5salaries for managerial/clerical personnel and salaries for anesthesiology/medical personnel
Deborah Workman


  

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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
managerial and support-personnel salaries


Explanation:
administrative = managerial, executive, etc.

staff - assistants, secretarial, etc.

Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 11:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 64
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Mike. I've just noticed the wrong field. ( from my previous question)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
37 mins
  -> Thank you, Patricia - Mike :)
agree  Richard McDorman
53 mins
  -> Thank you, Richard - Mike :)
disagree  Deborah Workman: The distinction is between business operations and medical personnel.
11 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +7
I agree with you


Explanation:
I fully agree with you that the distinction being made here is not particularly clear. I think (in contrast to Michael's distinction) that "administrative" probably covers receptionists, secretaries, practice managers etc. while "staff" is being used to describe "medical" jobs such as anaesthetists, nurses and technical assistants. However, as you rightly point out, administrative personnel are also "staff", so the distinction doesn't bear too much analysis. However, in relation to a hospital one would refer to the "medical staff" and the "administrative staff" and my assumption is that this is the sort of thing implied here, although it is poorly expressed.

Armorel Young
Local time: 16:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
not because you agree with me, Armorel ;-) but because your explanation is very clear and convincing. Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tina Vonhof (X): I think Staff here means medical staff.
1 hr
agree  Phong Le
6 hrs
agree  Tony M
6 hrs
agree  Polangmar
6 hrs
agree  Demi Ebrite
8 hrs
agree  Michael Powers (PhD): You gave a very good explanation, Armorel, and this could certainly be a logical answer. - Mike :)
9 hrs
agree  Deborah Workman
9 hrs
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
salaries for managerial/clerical personnel and salaries for anesthesiology/medical personnel


Explanation:
Typically anyone involved in administration is involved in the business side of an organization and the staff personnel are those who are specialized in delivering the actual services (in this case, the medical staff). See these examples:

Anesthesiologist (Staff Physician) - Veterans Affairs, Veterans ...
Anesthesiologist (Staff Physician) - Applications are being accepted for a full-time Anesthesiologist (Staff Physician) in the Surgical Service at the El ...
http://www.indeed.com/.../Anesthesiologist-(Staff-Physician)... - Cached - Similar -
Anesthesiology Clinics of North America : ACUTE CARE MEDICINE : A ...

This example shows the importance of anesthesiologists in medical staff and .... clinical department administration, and medical staff administration. ...
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S088985370570179...

Note that a person in working in an administrative capacity can also have an MD, but the point is that the person's primary functions are administrative rather than medical. http://medschool.umaryland.edu/anesthesiology/administration...

The link below is to a report describing how an anethesiology department is set up.


    Reference: http://www.asahq.org/publicationsAndServices/standards/25.pd...
Deborah Workman
United States
Local time: 11:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thjanks a lot for the useful links! Much appreciated :-)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Michael Powers (PhD): I think you answer is probably right; however, it was already offered 9 hours before you gave it by Armorel. - Mike :)
13 mins
  -> Fair enough. I read her answer as tentative, however, and since I believe it always serves the asker best to defend our answers with corroboration, I wanted to offer my confident answer with documentation. Asker can decide which answer is most helpful.
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