Mar 5, 2002 13:57
22 yrs ago
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French term
toutes conséquences de droit
French to English
Law/Patents
le Juge ne peut qu'entériner l'autorité de chose jugée des decisions anglaises en France, et en déduire toutes conséquences de droit.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 -1 | draw inferences, make conclusions |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 +1 | legitimate inference |
Olivier San Léandro
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| 4 | legal consequences |
zaphod
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| 4 -1 | any [consequential / consequent] relief |
Steven Geller
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Proposed translations
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3 hrs
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
Related KudoZ points
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4638
Selected
draw inferences, make conclusions
The French judge in question can only (has no choice but to) accept the ruling of the English court with regard to the particular matter and must infer all the legal consequences flowing from that decision ... i.e., the French courts cannot bring into question the judgment of an English court. It is beyond his jurisdiction to do so. The court must draw inferences, make conclusions (and come to a decision) based on the matter as decided by the other court.
That is what is going on in your particular text. Never the less, the two sources below suggest that you do not have your hands tied to a strict formula on this one. Taking a pragmatic approach, it’s about “drawing inferences”, “making conclusions”.
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/1997/a-467-96.html
It is clear to us that, even as regards the issue of whether the respondent's complaint was statute-barred, all of the conclusions of the Board are based on its understanding of the evidence, the inferences it drew from the facts placed in context, and the interpretation it could give to the behaviour of the parties.
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/cf/1997/a-467-96.html
Il appert, même sur la question de savoir si la plainte de l'intimé était irrecevable par application de la loi, que toutes les conclusions du Conseil étaient fondées sur son appréhension des preuves et témoignages, sur les conséquences de droit qu'il tirait des faits examinés en contexte, et sur l'interprétation qu'il donnait des agissements des parties.
http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/Federal-Court/A004596f...
Il appartient au conseil arbitral d'examiner les preuves et témoignages et d'en tirer les conséquences de droit.
http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/Federal-Court/A004596e...
It is for the Board to assess the evidence and come to a decision.
That is what is going on in your particular text. Never the less, the two sources below suggest that you do not have your hands tied to a strict formula on this one. Taking a pragmatic approach, it’s about “drawing inferences”, “making conclusions”.
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/1997/a-467-96.html
It is clear to us that, even as regards the issue of whether the respondent's complaint was statute-barred, all of the conclusions of the Board are based on its understanding of the evidence, the inferences it drew from the facts placed in context, and the interpretation it could give to the behaviour of the parties.
http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/cf/1997/a-467-96.html
Il appert, même sur la question de savoir si la plainte de l'intimé était irrecevable par application de la loi, que toutes les conclusions du Conseil étaient fondées sur son appréhension des preuves et témoignages, sur les conséquences de droit qu'il tirait des faits examinés en contexte, et sur l'interprétation qu'il donnait des agissements des parties.
http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/Federal-Court/A004596f...
Il appartient au conseil arbitral d'examiner les preuves et témoignages et d'en tirer les conséquences de droit.
http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/Federal-Court/A004596e...
It is for the Board to assess the evidence and come to a decision.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks. I think you're right. There is a lot in the text about the legitimacy of English rulings in France"
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5 mins
Olivier San Léandro
Native in French
Technical background, RELIABLE
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French, French to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
181
legitimate inference
legitimate inference
conséquence de droit n. f.
Syn.
déduction justifiée n. f.
Ref: GDT
HTH, Olivier
conséquence de droit n. f.
Syn.
déduction justifiée n. f.
Ref: GDT
HTH, Olivier
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: "infer legitimacy (of the decision/ruling)" : works for all of "...en déduire toutes conséquences de droit."
3 hrs
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-1
1 hr
Steven Geller
Works in: French to English, English to French, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
1246
any [consequential / consequent] relief
First, he is an extract from an International Labour Organisation case in both French and English to illustrate the usage in both languages...
Il demande au Tribunal d'ordonner l'annulation de la décision en date du 21 février 1992 avec toutes conséquences de droit et de lui accorder ses dépens.
http://www.ilo.org/public/french/tribunal/fulltext/1237.htm
He seeks the quashing of the decision of 21 February 1992, any consequent relief and costs
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/tribunal/fulltext/1237.htm
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Here are more examples of the English usage...
House of Lords - Kleinwort Benson Limited v. City of Glasgow ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
... consequences following directly from this. What matters is not whether the consequential
relief is classified by English or Scottish law or the law of some ...
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199798/ldju... jd971030/klein03.htm
735 ILCS 5/ Code of Civil Procedure - [ Traduire cette page ]
... of rights, having the force of final judgments, whether or not any consequential
relief is or could be claimed, including the determination, at the instance of ...
www.legis.state.il.us/ilcs/ch735/ch735act5articles/ch735act... - 5k - Copie cachée - Pages similaires
Lawlink NSW: Administrative Decisions Tribunal: Retail Leases ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
... rights of a lessee, or (iii) declaring the rights and liabilities of the parties
under the law, whether any consequential relief is or could be claimed or not;: ...
www.agd.nsw.gov.au/adt.nsf/pages/adt_7
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Note added at 2002-03-05 19:20:26 (GMT)
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Here is the translation of your sentence...
the [Judge / Court] is bound to uphold the judgment resulting from the English decisions in France, and therefore provide the consequential relief that the law allows.
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Note added at 2002-03-05 19:31:00 (GMT)
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Here, also, are explanations from Termium of the other legal terms in your sentence.
Anglais :Droit judiciaire
uphold a conclusion s
Français :Droit judiciaire
entériner une conclusion
retenir une conclusion
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Anglais :Jugements (Droit judiciaire)
authority of a final judgment s
authority of a res judicata s
Français :Jugements (Droit judiciaire)
autorité de la chose jugée en dernier ressort s FÉM
NB : in your case, it is not a \"final judgement\", it is a judgement, which assumedly could have been appealed.
Il demande au Tribunal d'ordonner l'annulation de la décision en date du 21 février 1992 avec toutes conséquences de droit et de lui accorder ses dépens.
http://www.ilo.org/public/french/tribunal/fulltext/1237.htm
He seeks the quashing of the decision of 21 February 1992, any consequent relief and costs
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/tribunal/fulltext/1237.htm
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Here are more examples of the English usage...
House of Lords - Kleinwort Benson Limited v. City of Glasgow ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
... consequences following directly from this. What matters is not whether the consequential
relief is classified by English or Scottish law or the law of some ...
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld199798/ldju... jd971030/klein03.htm
735 ILCS 5/ Code of Civil Procedure - [ Traduire cette page ]
... of rights, having the force of final judgments, whether or not any consequential
relief is or could be claimed, including the determination, at the instance of ...
www.legis.state.il.us/ilcs/ch735/ch735act5articles/ch735act... - 5k - Copie cachée - Pages similaires
Lawlink NSW: Administrative Decisions Tribunal: Retail Leases ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
... rights of a lessee, or (iii) declaring the rights and liabilities of the parties
under the law, whether any consequential relief is or could be claimed or not;: ...
www.agd.nsw.gov.au/adt.nsf/pages/adt_7
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Note added at 2002-03-05 19:20:26 (GMT)
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Here is the translation of your sentence...
the [Judge / Court] is bound to uphold the judgment resulting from the English decisions in France, and therefore provide the consequential relief that the law allows.
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Note added at 2002-03-05 19:31:00 (GMT)
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Here, also, are explanations from Termium of the other legal terms in your sentence.
Anglais :Droit judiciaire
uphold a conclusion s
Français :Droit judiciaire
entériner une conclusion
retenir une conclusion
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Anglais :Jugements (Droit judiciaire)
authority of a final judgment s
authority of a res judicata s
Français :Jugements (Droit judiciaire)
autorité de la chose jugée en dernier ressort s FÉM
NB : in your case, it is not a \"final judgement\", it is a judgement, which assumedly could have been appealed.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Conseq. rel. is used where someone is seeking relief (in form of damages usually). The ILO EN source reads into the FR term what the person is actually asking for - any relief to which he is entitled by law, strictly spkg, not a transl. of the term.
2 hrs
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I beg to differ with you, Madam, all examples of the translation of the "identical" words are always worthy of review and consideration..
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2 hrs
legal consequences
I think, contextually, the judge must draw consequences from English decisions under French law here.
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Note added at 2002-03-05 21:58:38 (GMT)
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Gotta get my glasses cleaned
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Note added at 2002-03-05 21:58:38 (GMT)
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Gotta get my glasses cleaned
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: I read it this way too.
1 hr
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Yeah, it's a subtle call, Thanks
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| disagree |
Steven Geller
: Except that the text says "qu'entériner l'autorité de chose jugée des decisions anglaises en France" = "uphold the judgment resulting from the English decisions in France",
3 hrs
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entrenir in this case can also mean "consider" Tough call though I grant you
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