Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
loi de forme
English translation:
known [probability] distribution
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Michael GREEN
Nov 10, 2012 16:59
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French term
France
loi de forme
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Mathematics & Statistics
This is in a QA document entitled, "PRESCRIPTIONS GENERALES SUR FOURNITURES EXTERIEURES".
The section concerned is sub-titled "Maîtrise du procédé de fabrication / Capabilités".
The text in question is:
Les indices de capabilités en série doivent être supérieurs à :
(.....)
- capabilités machine CAM 1,10 si la caractéristique obéit à ***une loi de forme***.
(CAM is "Coefficients d'aptitude du moyen"/"Coefficients of Aptitude to the Mean")
I am neither a production engineer not a statistician, and my customer is unavailable during the weekend.
I have been unable to find "loi de forme" either in a web search, here on Proz, or in my dictionaries (Malgorn - Dic. des sciences et techniques / Ernst - Dic. générale de la technique industrielle), but perhaps I've not searched diligently enough.
Target language is UK EN.
Any informed suggestions - not guesses, please - will be received with gratitude.
The section concerned is sub-titled "Maîtrise du procédé de fabrication / Capabilités".
The text in question is:
Les indices de capabilités en série doivent être supérieurs à :
(.....)
- capabilités machine CAM 1,10 si la caractéristique obéit à ***une loi de forme***.
(CAM is "Coefficients d'aptitude du moyen"/"Coefficients of Aptitude to the Mean")
I am neither a production engineer not a statistician, and my customer is unavailable during the weekend.
I have been unable to find "loi de forme" either in a web search, here on Proz, or in my dictionaries (Malgorn - Dic. des sciences et techniques / Ernst - Dic. générale de la technique industrielle), but perhaps I've not searched diligently enough.
Target language is UK EN.
Any informed suggestions - not guesses, please - will be received with gratitude.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | known [probability] distribution |
rkillings
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| 4 | Gaussian (normal) distribution |
maraoud
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| 3 | procedural law |
FoundInTrans
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Proposed translations
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known [probability] distribution
It means a 'loi de forme connue', but the fact that the shape of the probability density function ('law') is known goes without saying in French. (If you don't know the form of that function, you can't know that the characteristic obeys it.)
Note from asker:
| Thank you very much. That sounds credible, and comforts my suspicion that it was something to do with probability (hence my reference to Gaussian curves above). I will wait the standard 24 hours before awarding points, but I think this is what I was looking for. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Daryo
: or "required" probability distribution? as this is about quality control
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"required" will sound like you're specifying parameters as well as the general shape of the distribution. It doesn't say that.
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procedural law
This appears to be a legal term pertaining to the steps or procedures in a case, see links below.
I hope you do not perceive this as a guess. However, I'm informing you since it looks promising. Please treat with discretion of course since my inkling is medium.
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-10 18:08:03 GMT)
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Application:
Can be applied in non legal contexts (extract from first link above)
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-10 18:10:42 GMT)
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The link above is actually below :-)
I hope you do not perceive this as a guess. However, I'm informing you since it looks promising. Please treat with discretion of course since my inkling is medium.
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-10 18:08:03 GMT)
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Application:
Can be applied in non legal contexts (extract from first link above)
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-10 18:10:42 GMT)
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The link above is actually below :-)
Reference:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Procedural_Law_vs_Substantive_Law
http://ledroitcriminel.free.fr/dictionnaire/lettre_l/lettre_l_loi.htm
Note from asker:
| Thank you Patrick for your reseach. I had come across this during my googling, but I am afraid this is not what I am looking for. In the context of my text it is clearly a statistical law, or at least a mathematical law applying to production statistics. I take it to be something like a Gaussian distribution, though I haven't the faintest idea of its precise nature. |
Discussion
Anyway, it starts making more sense:
Coefficients d’aptitude du moyen CAM (here: moyen = moyen de production / la machine) => various indexes showing different capabilities of the mean of production/ i.e. of one machine (not a "statistical mean value")
Coefficients d’aptitude du processus CAP = various indexes showing different capabilities of the whole chain of production / of the process of production as a whole.
"une loi de forme" IS definitely about a statistical distribution - most likely a Gaussian one.
More context information ...?
Unless I post the whole document, I don't quite see what I can give you.
As for CAM, I'm not expert (otherwise I wouldn't be posting this question) but I can only refer you to http://www.cimi.fr/formation/2012/cap10, where you will see "Coefficients d’aptitude du moyen CAM".
My text also has (more context ...) Cpk ("a measure of process capability" says Wikipedia), but that doesn't get me any further except to confirm that we are talking about production control statistics.
I think rkillings has hit the nail on the head.
(CAM is "Coefficients d'aptitude du moyen"/"Coefficients of Aptitude to the Mean") simply doesn't hold water.
Is there somewhere a statistical distribution involved?
in which case CAM could be
"Coefficient d'aptitude moyen" = "Mean Coefficient of Aptitude"
on the other hand
"Coefficients d'aptitude du moyen(de production?)" would be "Coefficients of Aptitude of the mean (of production?)".
I have a strong feeling that "si la caractéristique obéit à ***une loi de forme***" means that this characteristic has many possible values, so they generate a "distribution of probability", which is acceptable only if this "distribution of probability curve" has a certain shape. But until you give more context information, it's just pure guessing.
I would also think that "Les indices de capabilités en série" means "Les indices de capabilités [si la machine est utilisée pour une production] en série", i.e. that it's about a serial production of some goods, not about "serial logical connections" in some circuit?