Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Sep 1, 2006 16:21
17 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
infra étatiques
French to English
Social Sciences
International Org/Dev/Coop
Depuis sa conception originelle, l’ECS a connu, tant dans son organisation que son fonctionnement, une évolution dictée par les nouvelles exigences du terrain et tendant à responsabiliser davantage les entités territoriales infra étatiques pour donner plus de sens voire plus de légitimité aux Plans ...(BLAH BLAH BLAH..)
help much appreciated! thanks
help much appreciated! thanks
Proposed translations
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| 3 +4 | infra-state |
suezen
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| 3 +1 | non-central government agencies, etc. |
Bourth (X)
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| 4 | Sub-national entities |
Francis Marche
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infra-state
the spotlight has tended to focus on infra-state conflicts ... light weapons play a major role in infra-state conflicts. ...
www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents/Special/M21
Forms of Infra-State Mobilisation 2002 ...
www.codesria.org/Archives/Training_grants/governance/govern... - 15k
The Influence of Infra-State Regional Characteristics upon Population Growth · Taeuber, Conrad : The Movement to Southern Farms 1930-35 ...
chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=5075626_246_001 - 26k
www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents/Special/M21
Forms of Infra-State Mobilisation 2002 ...
www.codesria.org/Archives/Training_grants/governance/govern... - 15k
The Influence of Infra-State Regional Characteristics upon Population Growth · Taeuber, Conrad : The Movement to Southern Farms 1930-35 ...
chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=chla;idno=5075626_246_001 - 26k
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writeaway
: ..in which such benefits are granted by an infra-State regional authority for the ...(see URL above)
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thanks w/a!
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df49f (X)
: ben oui... basic Euro-speak and institutional jargon/UK site among many other ex.: http://www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents/Special/M21/file_view - not just a calque & broadly used and accepted (despite what some less informed may claim)
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thanks df!
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Fiorsam
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thanks again!
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JCEC
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Francis Marche
: in none of the 3 examples you gave infra-state is used to denote or identify an institutional level. Note that *inTra* is used for infra in the title of the Codesria story
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non-central government agencies, etc.
Year, Private/Voluntary sector, Non-central Government public bodies ... Receipts earned by the private sector and by non-central Government public sector ...
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo95120...
Prob. better to turn it round to "agencies other than central government agencies".
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo95120...
Prob. better to turn it round to "agencies other than central government agencies".
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CMJ_Trans (X)
: thr trouble is that - like it on not - in contexts like this, they go for the literal - much as it hurts me
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df49f (X)
: that's what it means yes, but the accepted term in Euro & international institution jargon is simply infra-State
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Francis Marche
: Are you sure infra-State is the accepted term df49f? as far as I know it is not even an English word.
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Sub-national entities
The English prefix *Sub-* is usually translated as *Sous-* in French for toponyms (the Indian Sub-continent = le sous-continent indien.) However when hierarchical level in institutions are denoted *infra-* is used. Infra-national is more common than infra-etatique but the meaning is the same: *sub-national institutions/entities*
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Note added at 1 day18 hrs (2006-09-03 10:34:15 GMT)
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From a Google search *subnational level institutions* is most ubiquitous in UN and international speak.
I agree that *infra-statal* is horrid.
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Note added at 1 day18 hrs (2006-09-03 10:34:15 GMT)
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From a Google search *subnational level institutions* is most ubiquitous in UN and international speak.
I agree that *infra-statal* is horrid.
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df49f (X)
: sens correct de infra-étatique-mais infra-State: terme couramment employé en jargon institutionnel (d'ailleurs le français ne dit pas "infra-national/sub-national// ref. inter alia http://www.unesco.org/webworld/taskforce21/documents/binde_e...
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Depuis quand ce que dit l'anglais doit etre dans la morphologie identique au francais? Infra-etatique est acceptable en francais, tandis que infra-state ne l'est pas car il s'agit d'un calque lamentable du precedent. Il n'y a pas meme lieu d'en debattre.
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