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Glossary entry

Slovak term or phrase:

contusio capitis s veget sy

English translation:

head contusion with vegetative symptoms

Added to glossary by Igor Liba
Sep 25, 2008 05:40
15 yrs ago
Slovak term

contusio capitis s veget sy

Slovak to English Medical Medical (general)
From a hospital discharge report:

*contusio capitis s veget sy,* distorsio col. vert cervicalis

It's Latin, but is it all Latin? The 's veget sy' bit is giving particular problems.
My ideas are that 's' tends to mean 'sinister' (left), and 'sy' could be siny (sinuses)... or symptom...
Can you make sense of 'contusio capitis s veget sy' as a whole, as a phrase?
Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
3 head contusion with vegetative symptoms
5 concussion with vegetative symptoms
Change log

Oct 1, 2008 13:31: Igor Liba Created KOG entry

Discussion

Linguists (asker) Oct 1, 2008:
sine? This is worse than I thought, if 's' can mean both 'with' and 'without'.

'contusio capitis' and a couple of other short chunks of Latin come up 2-3 times each, but there's nothing like 's veget sy' elsewhere in this set of documents.

The Latin phrase, if written in full, would probably be 'sine symptomatibus vegetativis'.

That's a good point made by Martin about 'sine', but 's veget sy' seems to be Slovak rather than Latin.
Igor Liba Sep 25, 2008:
http://www.neurologyarticles.com/brain_contusion.html
Linguists (asker) Sep 25, 2008:
OK, maybe it's simply 'with vegetative symptoms' but some informed input would still be welcome. These phrases can be quite scary when you first see them.

Proposed translations

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head contusion with vegetative symptoms

check this answer

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/latin_to_english/medical_general/1...

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Note added at 34 mins (2008-09-25 06:15:18 GMT)
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or „scalp contusion with vegetative symptoms“

from latin

capitis - týkajúca sa kože hlavy
contusio - kontúzia, pomliaždenina, hmoždenie

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-09-25 07:17:20 GMT)
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kontúzia - http://slovnik.juls.savba.sk/?w=kontúzia&s=exact&d=kssj4&d=p...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Martin Janda : My guess is 's' stands for 'sine' which is the opposite (with NO ...symptoms), but have not time to check it
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you both! It's probably best to stay close to the Latin and use the word 'contusion'. I've checked the Latin a bit: 'concussion' could be 'concussio', but there's also 'commotio cerebri'."
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concussion with vegetative symptoms

But I would leave the Latin as it is, or even all of it. Any neurologist would understand - I actually had this exact disorder once after falling off a bicycle many years ago! Luckily that is long behind me...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-09-25 13:50:02 GMT)
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Without seeing the whole thing, Martin Janda's comment below looks as though it might be the case as well - is there a diagnosis list at the bottom? That should clear it up, i.e. whether it is with or without such symptoms.

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Note added at 6 days (2008-10-01 16:34:59 GMT) Post-grading
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You are absolutely right - concussion is not contusio capitis. I have dug out my medical report and it says 'contusio capitis et commotio cerebri s veget. sy.' Maybe those vegetative symptoms were worse than I thought :) Basically it means a bit groggy. And I do think it is 'with', rather than 'without' as it would be a bit unusual not to feel a bit out of sorts - the diagnosis list at the end should clear that up.
Note from asker:
That's a good point that Martin Janda made, but I think it's quite possible this patient had 'vegetative symptoms' (insomnia, loss of appetite?). This is simply what I gather - it isn't explicitly stated anywhere else in the documents. Anyway, I'm glad that experience of yours is long in the past!
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