Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
навыки самообслуживания
English translation:
ability to look after itself
Added to glossary by
David Knowles
Feb 19, 2010 18:44
14 yrs ago
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Russian term
Specialist in Civil Law & Contracts
Native in: English 
Works in: Russian to English, English, Ukrainian to English
навыки самообслуживания
Russian to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Adoption procedures
Somehow, self-service doesn't seem right here!
В отчете должны быть отражены сведения о состоянии здоровья ребенка, обучении, его эмоциональном и поведенческом развитии, навыках самообслуживания, внешнем виде и взаимоотношениях в семье.
В отчете должны быть отражены сведения о состоянии здоровья ребенка, обучении, его эмоциональном и поведенческом развитии, навыках самообслуживания, внешнем виде и взаимоотношениях в семье.
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Galyna Algar
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in Russian
Works in field
United Kingdom
MCIL, professional, reliable, accurate.
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
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ability to look after himself/herself
May be "child's skills and ability to look after himself"?
Peer comment(s):
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enrustra
: Maybe it's a bit lengthy for this case, but for me this is closer to the meaning of the original, especially for Russian mentality (I suppose this is a text about adopted Russian children).
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks very much - I've gone for the neuter version: its ability to look after itself."
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erika rubinstein
Native in Russian
Specializes in field
Interp, trans, proof, PR, research, writ
Native in: Russian 
, German
Works in: English to Russian, German to Russian, Russian to German, and 13 more.
Related KudoZ points
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76
self-support
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10 mins
Alexander Palatash
Hungary
Hungary
Native in Russian
Works in field
Hungary
When quality is a priority
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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40
self-dependence / self-reliance skills
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Self-Reliance Skills:
Go to the bathroom by him/herself
Learn to dress by him/herself
Learn to brush their teeth
Make good use of free time
http://www.superkids.hu/enowhsrs.htm - this is an exact match but it's a Hungarian site :) and I'm not perfectly sure.
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Self-Reliance Skills:
Go to the bathroom by him/herself
Learn to dress by him/herself
Learn to brush their teeth
Make good use of free time
http://www.superkids.hu/enowhsrs.htm - this is an exact match but it's a Hungarian site :) and I'm not perfectly sure.
Example sentence:
Help Your Child Develop Self-Reliance
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Olga Cartlidge
: self - reliance or self - sufficiency skills or the child s ability to be self sufficient / self reliant.
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Thank you Olga!
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enrustra
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Спасибо!
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Tatiana Lammers
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Спасибо, Татьяна!
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Judith Hehir
: developmentally appropriate independence ("Children and parents can both benefit when developmentally appropriate independence is cultivated.") Sorry. Having trouble with the citation (PDF doc)
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Thank you Judith!
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self-help
that's self-help
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http://www.parentingme.com/selfhelp.htm
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I am adding more links to prove that I am right :)
http://www.oh-pin.org/articles/pex-01-self-help-skills-and-c...
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordD...
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http://www.parentingme.com/selfhelp.htm
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I am adding more links to prove that I am right :)
http://www.oh-pin.org/articles/pex-01-self-help-skills-and-c...
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordD...
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Alistair Gainey
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thanks!
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engltrans
: self-help habits
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Thank you!
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self-care skills
Just one more option. If they are talking about very young children, "навыки самообслуживания" means hygiene habits, using toilet, brushing teeth, etc.
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Rachel Douglas
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: English (Variants: British, Australian, US)
Works in: Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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235
life skills
It means things like the ability to dress himself, tie his shoes, etc.
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More broadly, "life skills" can include aspects of socialization, like readiness to do some chores, getting along with people, etc., but in the context of talking about candidates for adoption, and with the other things in the list, I think it would be clear what's intended.
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For David - Yes, there is a danger that it's too broad. How about if you add "basic"? - "basic life skills." I've often seen "life skills" used for very basic things, in the case of developmentally disabled adults, people with autism, etc. And, while for prisoners, etc., it might include behavioral issues (already taken care of on your list), "basic life skills" for sure is used in the case of little kids. For example:
/Many of the children lack basic life skills. Informal sessions on topics such as manners, hygiene, and other early-childhood developmental skills are held. "Recently we had four children in the shelter, ages 7, 8, 9, and 12, who did not know how to tie their shoes. We held a short lesson on how to tie a shoe. The goal is to have the children leave the shelter with more basic life skills than they came in with," said Daniel Valdez, Activities Coordinator./
http://www1.usw.salvationarmy.org/USW/www_usw_southwest.nsf/...
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Another phrase I've seen in such contexts is "to take care of himself," but I don't like that when talking about a candidate for adoption because it hints that maybe the kid doesn't need to be adopted, since he can take care of himself already, thank you very much. Still, see here, for example:
"One of our first objectives in helping a boy is to bring order to his life. This is accomplished through helping a boy learn to take care of himself, i.e., personal hygiene, making a bed, sweeping a tent, raking a trail."
http://www.fairplaycamp.net/Program.aspx
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"Maria Montessori believed that when children master ***practical life skills***--such as tying, buttoning, latching, assembling, cutting, pouring and simple courtesy--that they build their confidence as they master their environment."
http://www.livingplaying.com/waldorf-and-montessori-practica...
"Our occupational therapists work with your child to help build skills for daily activities, such as ***dressing, grooming, bathing and toileting.*** We help children learn these skills for the first time or relearn them after injury or illness. When appropriate, we use adaptive equipment and assess the physical spaces where your child spends time (ergonomic assessment) to help your child master ***these life skills***."
http://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics-programs/occupationa...
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More broadly, "life skills" can include aspects of socialization, like readiness to do some chores, getting along with people, etc., but in the context of talking about candidates for adoption, and with the other things in the list, I think it would be clear what's intended.
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Note added at 48 mins (2010-02-19 19:33:06 GMT)
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For David - Yes, there is a danger that it's too broad. How about if you add "basic"? - "basic life skills." I've often seen "life skills" used for very basic things, in the case of developmentally disabled adults, people with autism, etc. And, while for prisoners, etc., it might include behavioral issues (already taken care of on your list), "basic life skills" for sure is used in the case of little kids. For example:
/Many of the children lack basic life skills. Informal sessions on topics such as manners, hygiene, and other early-childhood developmental skills are held. "Recently we had four children in the shelter, ages 7, 8, 9, and 12, who did not know how to tie their shoes. We held a short lesson on how to tie a shoe. The goal is to have the children leave the shelter with more basic life skills than they came in with," said Daniel Valdez, Activities Coordinator./
http://www1.usw.salvationarmy.org/USW/www_usw_southwest.nsf/...
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Another phrase I've seen in such contexts is "to take care of himself," but I don't like that when talking about a candidate for adoption because it hints that maybe the kid doesn't need to be adopted, since he can take care of himself already, thank you very much. Still, see here, for example:
"One of our first objectives in helping a boy is to bring order to his life. This is accomplished through helping a boy learn to take care of himself, i.e., personal hygiene, making a bed, sweeping a tent, raking a trail."
http://www.fairplaycamp.net/Program.aspx
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"Maria Montessori believed that when children master ***practical life skills***--such as tying, buttoning, latching, assembling, cutting, pouring and simple courtesy--that they build their confidence as they master their environment."
http://www.livingplaying.com/waldorf-and-montessori-practica...
"Our occupational therapists work with your child to help build skills for daily activities, such as ***dressing, grooming, bathing and toileting.*** We help children learn these skills for the first time or relearn them after injury or illness. When appropriate, we use adaptive equipment and assess the physical spaces where your child spends time (ergonomic assessment) to help your child master ***these life skills***."
http://www.seattlechildrens.org/clinics-programs/occupationa...
Note from asker:
| This gets us away from the "self" answers, but aren't these usually higher-level skills, like getting on with people, filling in forms, dealing with officialdom, etc.? I might say "Most prisoners have no life skills", but they can tie their shoe-laces. Maybe the phrase is now used in educational development - I just don't know. |
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Alexander Palatash
: That's the ticket
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Thanks, Alexander!
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Louise Watkins
: I agree with the Asker - I think of life skills more as when older people can look after themselves-like when a student has to cook for themselves when they start university. Maybe self sufficiency is more apt?
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Please see reply to David. "Basic life skills" might solve the problem. I think, in his context, it's important to avoid anything that suggests the child (who is up for adoption!) is ready to be independent. All the "self-" versions suffer from that.
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sarandor
: "Age appropriate life skills"
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Thanks, Galia. That's a good way to qualify it.
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Elena Vvedenskaya
: In this context - regarding children - I agree. When we deal with the elderly - we should chose "care' and "dependence"…
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Thank you.
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Judith Hehir
: This seems far too broad to me. I think it's more a reference to developmentally appropriate independence.
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Thanks for the observation, Judith. But I really have seen "life skills" many times, and "basic life skills" even more, in just such contexts. Maybe still more examples are in order (see above).
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Discussion
An interesting example of something we all understood, but couldn't quite find the best way to say it!