Jan 27, 2020 15:10
4 yrs ago
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English term
Algeria
Shedding light out of words
Native in: Arabic 
, French
Works in: Arabic to French, Arabic to English, French to English, and 3 more.
Pay-off
English to French
Tech/Engineering
Computers: Systems, Networks
IT Audit
It is therefore necessary in audit to understand that there is a pay off between the costs and the risks, which are acceptable to the management. For instance, the management might consciously decide that offsite storage is not required in view of low risks, which are acceptable to the business. In other words it is important to study the management perspective and laid down policy before audit comes to a conclusion of acceptable and unacceptable risks. Therefore, any assessment of the soundness of the IT system will necessarily have to study the policies and process of risk management adopted by an organization
Proposed translations
(French)
| 3 +3 | compromis |
Cyril Tollari
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| 4 | rephrase the whole sentence |
Daryo
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| 4 -1 | des résultats / une rentabilité |
Marcombes (X)
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| 3 | compensation entre |
Adrian MM.
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| 3 -1 | un profit |
Samuel Clarisse
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Proposed translations
+3
6 mins
Cyril Tollari
France
France
Native in French
Works in field
France
Reliable & Experienced Engineer, EN>FR
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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20
English term (edited):
trade-off
Selected
compromis
Typo?
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Note added at 14 mins (2020-01-27 15:25:08 GMT)
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ou équilibre
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Note added at 23 mins (2020-01-27 15:33:54 GMT)
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Si c'est bien le terme,
"on peut tirer parti d'une analyse entre les coûts et les risques..."
mais ça me semble une raccourci.
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Note added at 24 mins (2020-01-27 15:34:25 GMT)
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*un raccourci"
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Note added at 14 mins (2020-01-27 15:25:08 GMT)
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ou équilibre
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Note added at 23 mins (2020-01-27 15:33:54 GMT)
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Si c'est bien le terme,
"on peut tirer parti d'une analyse entre les coûts et les risques..."
mais ça me semble une raccourci.
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Note added at 24 mins (2020-01-27 15:34:25 GMT)
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*un raccourci"
Note from asker:
| Merci Cyril. Je ne pense pas qui'il y aie un typo. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Thomas Miles
: Ou semblable. Seule interprétation, vu la coordination de deux options.
4 hrs
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| agree |
Maïté Mendiondo-George
4 hrs
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| neutral |
Daryo
: in fact, after reexamining the whole ST, in this sentence there is a "trade-off" that was left implied AND also a "pay-off". It's more a case of a badly constructed sentence, rather than a typo.
5 hrs
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| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci beaucoup,
J'estime que votre suggestion est plus pertinente et convenable au contenu du document source."
-1
3 hrs
des résultats / une rentabilité
-/-
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Daryo
: the whole sentence simply makes no sense with "pay-off" either a typo or a clumsy/wrong use of the term.
2 hrs
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| neutral |
Germaine
: AMA, "la rentabilité des coûts par rapport aux risques acceptables" ou "un avantage à soupeser entre coûts et risques acceptables. Cf. discussion.
4 hrs
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-1
3 hrs
Samuel Clarisse
France
France
Native in French
Works in field
France
Always keeping in mind the audience
Native in: French (Variants: Standard-France, Swiss, Canadian, Belgian, Luxembourgish)
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French
Related KudoZ points
:
22
un profit
Je l'entends dans ce sens
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Daryo
: the whole sentence simply makes no sense with "pay-off" either a typo or a clumsy/wrong use of the term.
2 hrs
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16 hrs
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
English term (edited):
pay-off between
compensation entre
I agree with Cyril's idea of a trade-off, so I've taken the analogy into the realms of a 'countervailing' set-off or counterbalance.
1 day 37 mins
rephrase the whole sentence
"there is a pay off between the costs and the risks" makes little sense
if you take into account what comes after, it would be better formulated this way:
they is a pay-off [to be achieved] FROM getting the right balance between costs and (acceptable) risks.
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il y a des gains à obtenir en trouvant un bon compromis entre les coûts et les risques encourus
or to put in another way:
there is a (potential) pay-off from getting the right trade-off between the costs and the risks
when you "abbreviate" that to what's in the ST you get a nonsensical text. (i.e. a "pay-off between ...")
if you take into account what comes after, it would be better formulated this way:
they is a pay-off [to be achieved] FROM getting the right balance between costs and (acceptable) risks.
=
il y a des gains à obtenir en trouvant un bon compromis entre les coûts et les risques encourus
or to put in another way:
there is a (potential) pay-off from getting the right trade-off between the costs and the risks
when you "abbreviate" that to what's in the ST you get a nonsensical text. (i.e. a "pay-off between ...")
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Germaine
: Ce qui a peu ou prou de sens dépend largement de la culture et de l'expérience de chacun. À réécrire, vs prenez d'autres risques; par exemple, oublier qu'il y a aussi des pertes possibles dans un compromis.
47 mins
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dans ce texte précis l'intérêt présumé d'un compromis est la possibilité d'obtenir un gain - c'est une traduction proposée pour ce texte, NON pour un cas général sans contexte défini.
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Discussion
Would love to see some samples OTHER than this ST.
Suit yourself:
https://www.google.com/search?q="a pay-off between"&rlz=1C1C...
Je lis tellement d'horreurs dans une semaine que je ne m'arrête plus vraiment à ce qui "doesn't make sense the way it's worded". Plus ça va, moins les gens savent écrire. Depuis l'ingénieur qui installait "un trou de 2 cm dans un trou de 4 cm" jusqu'à ce traducteur:
https://www.protegez-vous.ca/chronique-hein?utm_source=infol...
il faut de plus en plus "lire dans les pensées" du rédacteur et se rabattre sur son expérience.
Vous remarquerez qu'en essayant de donner un sens à ce qui n'en avait pas tel qu'énoncé, je suis arrivée à la même conclusion que vous.
Can you construct a sentence where you have "a pay-off" between two opposing trends???
Would love to see some samples OTHER than this ST.
when you have two elements pulling in opposite directions, you have to make a "trade-off" to decide which way you are going to go (more of the one or more of the other).
What would make sense:
they is a pay-off [to be achieved] FROM getting the right balance between costs and (acceptable) risks.
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il y a des gains à obtenir en trouvant un bon compromis entre les coûts et les risques encourus
En matière d’audit, il est donc nécessaire de comprendre la rentabilité des coûts par rapport aux risques qui sont acceptables pour la direction. Par exemple, la direction peut sciemment décider qu’une sauvegarde externe est inutile compte tenu des faibles risques, qui sont acceptables pour l’entreprise.
(par ex. : il est inutile de payer $$$$ par an pour une sauvegarde externe compte tenu qu’il n’y a eu aucun incident depuis X ans et qu’il n’en coûterait pas davantage (ou à peine plus) si un incident survenait.)
"pay-off" is either a typo or a wrongly/clumsuly used term, only "trade-off" fits with the rest of the whole sentence.
In my rule-book, context always wins...
Search for "pay-off between" and "trade-off between" and compare for yourself.