| Pages in topic: < [1 2] | Remove "Answer found elsewhere" option? Thread poster: Fiona Grace Peterson
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| I have never used it | Oct 27, 2013 |
Ty Kendall wrote:
But I do think people should be prompted to enter the answer to their own question if they do find it elsewhere.
But I have always thought it's only fair, and the least the asker can do is to enter the answer he/she has eventually found. Otherwise it looks for me like fooling the answerer/s, and if there aren't any answers yet, some people might already have been puzzling their head over the question anyway and may want to know which answer has been found. This has happened to me many times and each time I have been very baffled.
Therefore, if the askers don't come themselves to this logical conclusion, they should really be obliged to "reveal" what they found if they choose this option. Otherwise, it should be removed altogether as it is completely useless.
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| | | | Ben_ (X) 
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:50
German to English
| Agree with general sentiment here | Oct 27, 2013 |
I've had a few KudoZ questions I've answered be closed shortly afterwards either with the reason given as "Other" or "Answer found elsewhere" and no answer provided too, and I've found it annoying in terms of having wasted time researching and ultimately useless in terms of not being able to learn the correct/chosen answer. It would be fairly rude to ask people a question in real life and then completely disregard their answers, so I don't see how it is different here.
I won't name ... See more I've had a few KudoZ questions I've answered be closed shortly afterwards either with the reason given as "Other" or "Answer found elsewhere" and no answer provided too, and I've found it annoying in terms of having wasted time researching and ultimately useless in terms of not being able to learn the correct/chosen answer. It would be fairly rude to ask people a question in real life and then completely disregard their answers, so I don't see how it is different here.
I won't name names, but one of the questions I answered which shortly got closed down "Answer found elsewhere" was asked by somebody who had closed down a tenth of the many questions he had posted over the years. In future I think I'll start checking a poster's record for doing things like that before spending any time researching their questions. ▲ Collapse
| | | | diana bb
Lithuania
Local time: 20:50
English to Lithuanian
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| The 'answer found elsewhere' option should be expanded | Oct 27, 2013 |
The option should be expanded, and 'answer found:.........' should be included. Should be a default without which the question could not be closed.
| | | | neilmac
Spain
Local time: 19:50
Spanish to English
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| Keep it, it's useful | Oct 28, 2013 |
I accept that it is annoying if not downright rude when askers remove the query without telling us what they "found". However, having occasionally posted something which I subsequently realised I already knew, but had forgotten about, I think the option should be left in.
The other day I was researching a word and I found a query about the same term I'd posted a few years ago and then closed using the option. On that occasion, I used the Discussion option to apologise and explain my reaso... See more I accept that it is annoying if not downright rude when askers remove the query without telling us what they "found". However, having occasionally posted something which I subsequently realised I already knew, but had forgotten about, I think the option should be left in.
The other day I was researching a word and I found a query about the same term I'd posted a few years ago and then closed using the option. On that occasion, I used the Discussion option to apologise and explain my reasons. If askers did the same, I'm sure less hackles would be raised. ▲ Collapse
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| "Answer" eventually provided by client | Oct 28, 2013 |
I think I've used the "answer found elsewhere" option once, because the end client (via the agency) eventually provided the preferred term. I can't remember, but I'm sure I would have told those kind enough to have provided answers what had happened and what answer the client had given. Did I enter it in the glossary? Again, I can't remember, but I expect so.
For that reason, no, I don't think the option should be removed.
Edited to avoid starting my last sentence with "so"!... See more I think I've used the "answer found elsewhere" option once, because the end client (via the agency) eventually provided the preferred term. I can't remember, but I'm sure I would have told those kind enough to have provided answers what had happened and what answer the client had given. Did I enter it in the glossary? Again, I can't remember, but I expect so.
For that reason, no, I don't think the option should be removed.
Edited to avoid starting my last sentence with "so"!
[Edited at 2013-10-28 09:45 GMT]
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| | | | | Absolutely!!!! | Oct 28, 2013 |
Ty Kendall wrote:
But I do think people should be prompted to enter the answer to their own question if they do find it elsewhere.
| | | | Mario Freitas
Brazil
Local time: 14:50
Member (2014)
English to Portuguese
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| Selfish it is | Feb 26, 2014 |
I find it quite selfish. Most of the time there are good and correct answers, and the asker could give points to the best answer. It will not hurt them, I guarantee. And it will cost nothig. It takes just as much time and trouble to close the post with points and without points. So people who do that too often should be left aside by the other users until KudoZ solves this situation.
When you open a post, you just have to slide the mouse over the asker's picture, and you'll see how ... See more I find it quite selfish. Most of the time there are good and correct answers, and the asker could give points to the best answer. It will not hurt them, I guarantee. And it will cost nothig. It takes just as much time and trouble to close the post with points and without points. So people who do that too often should be left aside by the other users until KudoZ solves this situation.
When you open a post, you just have to slide the mouse over the asker's picture, and you'll see how many time he/she asked a question and awarded no points. If that's too often, I suggest we don't bother answering the question (as I said, until the issue is solved by KudoZ). ▲ Collapse
| | | | | The askers should give the answers and there should be a rule limiting numbers of unclosed question | Mar 10, 2014 |
What if there are cases when the askers may find an answer partially useful but dont want to give points so they just dont close the questions or close it without grading.
There should be a limit to unclosed questions and that limit should be really low, like 2 unclosed and if they want to post a new one, they have to close other questions.
Inese Poga-Smith wrote:
It is an absurd option, and it is a great suggestion the asker enters his/her own version if their answer is more accurate or has been really found elsewhere.
We have quite a few translators in my language pairs (English>Latvian and Latvian>English) who are asking a lot of questions. Some of them do not close their questions either until community grades these questions, or until they are forced to in order to be able to ask another question. I would imagine it is faster and easier to just click on this option when the asker cannot even remember what exactly was that particular question. I have also noticed the same people are closing questions this way all the time. As a result, I stopped answering questions posted by these translators because it realistically takes some time to enter the suggestion. "Answer found elsewhere" looks strange when it's fairly clear the asker had no clue what the answer was.
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| Limit on open questions | Mar 10, 2014 |
Little Woods wrote:
There should be a limit to unclosed questions and that limit should be really low, like 2 unclosed and if they want to post a new one, they have to close other questions.
There is a limit on open questions, and it is described in this FAQ.
Regards,
Enrique
| | | | | A limit of 10 open questions is too high | Mar 11, 2014 |
I just check the FAQ and in my opinion found that this limit of 10 open questions is too high and ifthey are left open for a long time, when they are close due to urgency, the asker dont bother to look at the result but just close it.
Something with short limit both in terms of numbering and time would be more effective.
BTW, is the thing about sliding your mouse over a picture to see the no-point award just a suggestion or reality? I tried that but it didn't work.
... See more I just check the FAQ and in my opinion found that this limit of 10 open questions is too high and ifthey are left open for a long time, when they are close due to urgency, the asker dont bother to look at the result but just close it.
Something with short limit both in terms of numbering and time would be more effective.
BTW, is the thing about sliding your mouse over a picture to see the no-point award just a suggestion or reality? I tried that but it didn't work.
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| | | | | It does work | Mar 11, 2014 |
Little Woods wrote:
BTW, is the thing about sliding your mouse over a picture to see the no-point award just a suggestion or reality? I tried that but it didn't work.
Cheers,
If you pass your mouse over the asker's username (not the picture) you will see the following:
Regards,
Enrique
| | | | neilmac
Spain
Local time: 19:50
Spanish to English
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| Enough rules already | Mar 12, 2014 |
AFAIK if this ever happens to me, I have always tried to at least give an explanation of why I posted the query in the first place (usually because I'm in a hurry, or my original search didn't turn up a response quickly enough) and the answer found elsewhere.
If on any occasions I have failed to do this, please except my apologies.
As to whether we need more restrictions and regulations on the site, I would prefer not to have any more.
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I agree with Fiona and Ty, as in the option should probably go, but also people should be encouraged to share what they've found elsewhere. While at it, I'd appreciate more pressure on askers to close their answered questions.
Also, perhaps this is a good opportunity to think about the merits of grading done by askers, who by definition have professed themselves to be less than experts in what they're asking (unless it... See more I agree with Fiona and Ty, as in the option should probably go, but also people should be encouraged to share what they've found elsewhere. While at it, I'd appreciate more pressure on askers to close their answered questions.
Also, perhaps this is a good opportunity to think about the merits of grading done by askers, who by definition have professed themselves to be less than experts in what they're asking (unless it's just brainstorming). So this is a bit like students grading teachers. ▲ Collapse
| | | | jyuan_us
United States
Local time: 13:50
Member (2005)
English to Chinese
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Łukasz Gos-Furmankiewicz wrote: I agree with Fiona and Ty, as in the option should probably go, but also people should be encouraged to share what they've found elsewhere. While at it, I'd appreciate more pressure on askers to close their answered questions. Also, perhaps this is a good opportunity to think about the merits of grading done by askers, who by definition have professed themselves to be less than experts in what they're asking (unless it's just brainstorming). So this is a bit like students grading teachers.
Answerers are not teachers. Even if the askers are presumed to be less than experts in what they're asking, they are still able to judge what is right and what is wrong after various answers have been given. So I don't think there is anything wrong for the "students" to grade the "teachers". Most questions are not related to rocket science anyway.
If the askers are obligated to provide the answer they found elsewhere, it is basically equal to the total removal of the option, simply because it is more burdensome to provide the "found" answer and grading someone's answer.
If you ask me if the option should be kept or removed, I would say the discussion as a whole is not worthwhile and I have no answer to the question. This is because even if the option is removed, there are several other options that the asker can use to close a question without grading it. These other options could be abused by someone who tends to use the "answer found elsewhere" option.
I think those who have a tendency to close questions without grading have some special traits, which lead to their behavior.
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